To aid or not to aid...that is the question?!

Well it's still early days, and I'm loving this game.

Even with its small 'issues' which Kunos have firmly in their sights, this sim represents the finest digital driving I have ever experienced.

I've only had it for one week, and am still learning the ropes, so to speak.

I discovered that on my first outing, I had apparently turned off all driving assist aids...and had been racing that way ever since.

While gradually making progress, and at best placing third in career races, TODAY I TURNED ABS and STABILITY CONTROL to 'FACTORY'.

I immediately discovered that all the hard work of caressing the cars through corners without aids, has dramatically improved my approach to driving...so with factory-setting aids I saw an amazing improvement.

The Kunos devs have modelled this beautifully!

Can I ask, are others using driving aids?

 

Stability control is a fake setting which alters physics to be unnatural. It's the only thing I'd always disable.

 

Fair enough, thanks mate!

I was under the impression that a form of stability control was available.

Do you use any traction control?

 

There are various real world stability settings, but that's not what stability control is in AC. I rarely use TC, but I'm definitely faster with it on using certain cars. ABS always factory.

 

Factory settings for TC and ABS are the way to go in AC. Adjust TC manually while on the track to suit the conditions/fun factor.

SC to zero in the options, and never look back

 

I have lead you up the garden path, I'm afraid!

It wasn't the stability control and ABS...it was in fact the traction control and ABS which were set to factory.

Apologies!

 

The only aid I am using is ABS. I am thinking of disabling that soon as I get more comfortable and competent with using my wheel.

 

Use TC and ABS to factory. I have noticed that im faster with some cars without TC but thats depending on car so you can try with both on in different steps (higher is lower in AC) and off to see which setting that allow you to be fastest. If you faster with TC on, dont feel bad for using it.

 

Never use any aids no matter what car, your not as quick with them off but its a greater challenge.

 

Its important to simulate everything else but to simulate how the cars are driven by professionals is not as fun?

 

Yeah maybe not as fun, can be a bit frustrating depending on the car, but i feel as if am cheating with aids on...

 

Personally I have very little interest in gt3 as its a dumbed down class, ABS and TC are enabled purely to make the gentlemen drivers less of a hazard. The Pro's will find this as an aid and can help pace especially in an endurance race where looking after tyres is critical so the ABS and TC is used by all. Turn these off and its way more fun but some street cars you really cant turn off ABS in the real thing and turning it off with no bias control makes them pretty much unrideable. I have a server with the GT2/GTE cars atm with no aids and its actually a bit more fun to drive these. The GT4 masserati is good fun as it also tests the driver but gt3 with factory aids is rather boring to drive, weaker drivers are still off the pace even with the aids but it just makes it more boring to drive for me and I guess many that prefer to actually drive a car rather then let the systems do most of the work.

The game however lets you drive however you want and thats fine, we can all enjoy the same game in our own way. But if someone only drives cars with aids then will try drive one without they wont have much luck getting it around when they need to actually control throttle and brake manually.

 

I am personally faster without TC in gt3 cars, but if someone use it they dont "cheat" or something stupid like that.

 

Faster without any TC in, let's say, the exit of Mugello's first corner with hard tyres?

This has been discussed a thousand times in the PC forum. Cars like GT3s are meant to be with TC and ABS. That is the way they are conceived, built and raced. Using TC and ABS is using the thing by the book.

 

I dont think I said anything about cheating using it, its a much better test of driver ability with it off same as ABS. If you want to have a race with others who have to drive the car then doing it without aids is the best test, this is where we can set the game as we want and can set servers as we want. If someone joins a server that has no aids though they really have no right to complain that they are not on, there is no reason all should be forced to run factory just like all users can choose what to run themselves in SP. For MP you just have to run what the server has. If you dont like it then you need to find another server or run your own.

Nobody said its cheating to use the aids but clearly the reason they are in gt3 racing at all is because it means weaker drivers are less hazardous with these aids, it doesnt mean they will be quicker but a good driver if allowed to use these aids can be quicker with them on then off especially over a longer distance.

No need to do it by the book like some may want to race with SC or whatever, I prefer racing them with no aids and so its more interesting to see people jump into a server with them disabled. Amazing how many complain when they are switched off though.

 

I didnt mean that you said anything about cheating. But this seems to be comon by players that they are more hardcore driving without and also the user in this thread that said it felt like he cheat with TC on.

 

This is a point of discussion I have been aware of for YEARS - I came to AC from Forza and my experience of Simulated Driving is nil. I can't do it without TC - I spin it ALL the time - without TC I would be a danger on the track. I don't like using assists, but Assetto feels much more 'Real World' and I need them. The Factory settings enable me to drive on-line (its HARD) and with some success, so then what happens when I get in a vehicle that has no TC,ABS or turn TC off - back to spinning off. I used to deal with these issues by tuning but I can' do that without Telemetry or at least Tyre info.... It seems I must work extremely hard to get my skills up to race well or even drive. I say use what you like - you bought it.

 

Stability at 0%
Factory for ABS and TC.

 

If you want to practice how to drive without tc for example, toggle trough and use less and less. The higher the number is the lower the actual TC/ABS are. Some cars have between 1-12 tc, where 12 is the lowest and 1 is most.

 

It is a fun discussion but trough the history of racing the teams and technicians have developed som many driving assist systems.
They are always faster and far superior to what any human can do, that is why they are banned from racing.
Just look trough the history of formula one, how many systems have they banned?

On a road car the systems are setup for safety, but systems can also be setup to make you faster.