MULTIPLAYER Update 0.6 - MP & Ratings Rebooted

What if instead of a just the value for RC "performance" be shown on the HUD, could it be used the FIA categorisation also: Platinum (Pro), Gold (Pro-Am), Silver (Am) and Bronze (Am).
In the HUD we would see something sort of this:
Am
RC 60

Am
RC 70

Pro-Am
RC 85

Pro
RC 99

That same category indication could be paired with the drivers name above the car to be shown to the other drivers: Luis Branco (Am); just the category without the values

Servers could be ranked for Platinum (Pro), Gold (Pro-Am), Silver (Am) and Bronze (Am) or any combination of those drivers categories.

 

Too busy driving, no time to react

 

I might not see things in grand scheme sort of things , but having 2 ratings like safety and performance makes logical sense to anyone who would look at it. It has nothing to do about copy cating it from Iracing. I bet they put alot of thought into the same problem at some point during development and somehow arrived to just 2 ratings. All those TR,CP, PC and bunch of others can be used "behind scenes". I believe simplicity is the key. Average Joe should look at top right corner, look at the field, at nearby drivers and know how he potentially stacks up against them in particular forthcoming race (right now it is a mystery whom you are driving with). Maybe it makes sense to have safety rating and strength of driver within the field displayed above him but in different color from his name and ping. Just a mere suggestion.

 

By the way... when is release?
Edit: Hey, where the heck my smiley dissapeared?

 

lol, that's coming from players like me, who mostly do not care much about how things are working as long as they do.

I stopped to look at the rating numbers a while ago, at the beginning it was interesting to see how my driving impacts those numbers, but right now I just trust them doing what they're supposed to do. In my rare free time when I get the chance to fire up ACC I just enjoy the driving/racing.

I think most of the frustration comes from people not understanding that ratings are not yet used to filter out wreckers in MP sessions (also the match-making aspect).

Anyhow, my point was, just because you don't get a positive feedback it does not mean people are not excited about what you do This is the thing I hate about being a software developer, most feedback you get is negative, if you do the best job you'll just get something like "yeah, it's working, so???"

 

I love the rating system and think it will definitely help beginners to improve as they have something to focus on they normally might not ever have thought about themselves while getting hints on how to improve the rating they're currently focused on, thus creating a better driver.
From my experience, it seems like a lot of beginner drivers have some kind of arcade-ish style driving rooted into them due to playing non-simlike games. If you've driven around Monza in any game of choice, you'll see exactly this. Beginners don't seem to focus on consistency and car control, they just wanna drive as fast as possible, unable to keep the car on-track, sometimes barely aware of the players around them, taking out players from here to Tokyo I'm sure a lot of them don't do it on purpose, but they've never learned how to drive slow, how to control their cars and how to properly drive with other people.

I think the rating system will be of massive importance for having an enjoyable online experience. Beginners are given the tools to improve their driving, if they can't/refuse to change their driving accordingly, they can get filtered out from lobbies that require a certain level to join. But hopefully they will use the rating system to better their driving so we have more quality people to race against.

One thing I do hope is that there eventually will be an option to turn off the rating system. I like to use tools such as the Radar, the Lap Times app and the Relative app. The Ratings app is something I personally don't really need on my screen.
Maybe only allow Gold & Platinum drivers to turn it off through the options menu so beginner drivers can't simply ignore the rating system without turning off their entire HUD. I don't know, just a thought

 

@Minolin
The news about the SRO championship is sensational. However, most users will not be part of it. This only affects 24 riders at the end. Being that of mortals only 3. Not to mention that you still have to be swimming in the money. For those who do not live in Europe only if they are rich.

So, despite having adored the news, it does not change anything for me.

 

100% agree with your post. SimRacing is always been THE way to cultivate a passion for engines and races and experience emotions and sensations as the real world directly from own house, without spending anything.
This, btw, will be a COOL event to bring someone onboard a Lamborghini. It deviates a bit from what SimRacing is always been and always will be. That doesn't mean will be the only official event.
I cannot image the entire scripts made for the ranking system not used on this event, neither setup (regulations impose normal setups made by Kunos: Normal, Aggressive and Wet).
So I feel sure to say that events we are looking for still have to come.
Let's see, for example, what is loved of another simulator like iRacing: The championship and automatic systems/races and the road to the World Championship, made by everyone, directly from people's houses. iRacing is always been a success and a loved sim for that. I'm sure Kunos won't take a so different road to grow the "Competizione" .
It's one awesome event. Will not be THE one

 

Agree. Sure, I have registered to silver cup, but only to put in some laps for fun. I have family and work so I cannot put in the hours required. What I am excited about is racing with friends (yes, already made lots of friends in this game, nice!) and others in same level, and for that any development around MP or availability of cars and tracks is huge news for me.

 

Following on from my previous post:- Update 0.6 - MP & Ratings Rebooted which I am also still a little confused by.

What has made me a little more confused is when I do better and keep the Overdrive red bar down my Overdrive percentage on the right hand side is a high number. Should this not say 4% rather than 96%? I am also curious will Push values ever be represented on the right hand side?

 

For me personally I am happy option "A" is your choice.

 

It could be B while you are driving and A when you go back to look at your rating. Then you can have a immediate feedback of your overdriving, knowing that, if your CC dropped because for example your kid tried ACC, the impact will not so heavy.

 

Just an observation with CC and CN ratings in 0.7

I did run a few of the Monza hotstints at first and then some solo laps in a server where my CC and CN where both around 92-93 then someone joined the server in practice. I caught up to the guy and spent maybe 2 to 3 laps behind him and a bit off pace as he was maybe 1 to 2 seconds per lap off my usual pace, I wasn't in a massive hurry to pass (trying to build some trust) but he was also quite defensive. So I drove very close to his rear had a few little looks on the outside as he was defending insides quite aggressively and I wasn't keen on a dive bomb to get my first SA contact lol. After these few laps my CN dropped to mid 80's and CC dropped to low 80's.

My thought on this is that possibly these ratings should be relaxed a bit for cars in traffic, maybe they shouldn't improve as you wont have perfect lines and inputs. But I think good car control is shown if in traffic you can drive close with no contact and also make a clean pass, highly likely much of this wont be the same as running clean laps not in traffic. I will see how it pans out over time but looking at this if you happened to be in a race and got a bit back in the pack where you cant run your hotlap line you will likely get smashed in these 2 ratings, this may encourage people to race others overly aggressively to get past ASAP to make sure they can run their hotlap lines and keep their ratings up. I think that's not something that should really be encouraged in racing so possibly if this is an issue in some way while in attack range the CC and CN can reduce their expectations and maybe even CC could calculate how much car control someone shows in traffic by running close and clean with clean passes.

 

I agree, I noticed this in 0.6 too. I put the rating focus on CC and did some races with the AI, when you're behind them and it's not possible to overtake them or you have to brake a lot earlier not to run into the back of them, the CC will give you "Very slow" and "Quite slow" like all the time. Also, when 2 AI are side by side and you're closing in on them and you have to slightly lift before entering the braking zone, the color-thing from the CC rating will turn dark blue, meaning you're not driving on the edge, but it's impossible at that time to drive on the edge.
I'm normally in the 90-93 range with CC, but when racing with AI it's very easy to lose a lot of CC rating (dipping into the 70s) and it's very hard to build CC back up when you're near the AI. When you're in clear air for a couple of laps, you'll get back to the normal rating in no time.
This is one of the reasons why I would like to see an option for ratings to be turned off. I get the feeling like I'm driving incorrectly and then try to correct it by pushing harder and end up overdriving the car, until I think to myself, 'sod it, I'm just gonna ignore the ratings'.

I haven't really done these races in 0.7 yet, but will test it to see if this is still the case and upload some footage of what I mean

 

About the CC, check page 10 on this thread, there is couple of posts from Minolin that explain it very well.
At least I understood the "Car Control" rating wrong before reading it

 

Ok, here's the video:

Am I correct in saying the first lap will always show 'Very slow' on every corner, even though some of the colors will show green-ish?
And yes, I totally underfueled because I suck as mafs

The CC rating in 0.7 seems to jump around less compared to 0.6. But the issue is the same; Driving behind AI, having to lift earlier when approaching braking zones, having to drive slowly through turns, not being able to brake as late as possible with 100% brake force will negatively impact the CC rating.
At around 1:40 into the video I have to lift slightly as I have more speed than the AI in front of me, notice how immediately the rating-color turns to dark blue.
At around the 14:08 minute mark into the video, you can see the rating drop from 91 to 86, next lap it drops to 83.

Seeing I get 'Quite slow' and 'Very slow' makes me think I'm going slow through the corner, but thanks to Jarkko (post above) I now understand that I'm not using the maximum capabilities of the tires instead (please correct me if I read the post on page 10 wrongly). Maybe it would be possible to change the 'Slow' part in the CC rating, to something like 'Underdriving tires'?

It's not always possible to drive on the limit with other cars around.