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Assetto Corsa Competizione 1.0 Discussion

Discussion in 'ACC General Discussions' started by Rolz, May 14, 2019.

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Winston Hardcore Simmer

After some testing my take is ...

The Good.
Great graphics (2d).
Great Sound.
Great Physics
Multiplayer ,some great solutions to the wrecker and poor driving which normally plagues MP.
Love the competition server idea although not tried it yet.

The bad
Too many game crashes.
Does feel like a late EA title at the moment.
Disappointing VR .

Verdict
A fantastic base to build off.
Will only get better over the coming months.
Kunos have set the bar very high.
Must sort the multi display out.

Winston, May 31, 2019

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Freddie Seng, NoobJunglerGG, DarekPeszzek and 6 others like this.
Ælleden Gamer

「Cr4zy | Pi3t」 said: ↑

Honestly I dont get all the people crying over poor performance.
I play on 1080p with everything maxed out manually and I just tested a race on Silverstone. My FPS never dropped below 55 and were averaging at about 85-90.
GPU is a GTX 1070 (so certainly not the fastest one on the market) paired with a i7-6700K.
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Have you tried same under rain in night with 20 cars around ???

Ælleden, Jun 1, 2019

#642
toold Gamer

Raklödder said: ↑

Is the pit-crew and animations missing or what am I doing wrong? I went into the pits and everything I saw was a red rectangle and a static lollipop? Is this how it's going to be until the 2019 update?

I'm really worried right now, seeing how the game has left "early access", but still has major flaws, incomplete features and bugs. I'm still going to play the game regardless, but I just think it's sad.

In the risk of sounding all negative, I do wish you guys would have had more time to finish your game. I bet those deadlines didn't do you any favors and I feel for you, but keep us posted on your progress.
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Better no pit stop crew, than these to the right and to the left looking guys, looking like the Marx Brothers in mechanics overalls.

toold, Jun 1, 2019

#643
Nev Roberts Racer

Can't drive the McLaren in cockpit view as no matter what I do with the settings the safety net webbing obscures the mirrors.

Nev Roberts, Jun 1, 2019

#644
Coanda Alien

Ne Roberts said: ↑

Can't drive the McLaren in cockpit view as no matter what I do with the settings the safety net webbing obscures the mirrors.
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what about using the gigantic oversized virtual mirror?

Coanda, Jun 1, 2019

#645
Wolf WolfZ Gamer

How do you do driver change in VR ? The change driver box in the pits is blanked out and then my car won;t start for the rest of the race (Career VRmode) not sure about pancake mode? Also in some cars the huds are not transparent and can't be clearly visible as parts of it are blocked by the car chassi etc. Cheers any one else experience this issues or similar? Also when starting the Career mode it ask you sign up driver 1, Team name , and Driver 2., Why? who is driver 1 and who is driver 2 Is that me is that the AI? No explanations or guidance to move forward , Cheers .Love the driving experience, The rest is ...........at this point.

Wolf WolfZ, Jun 1, 2019

#646
SteelyEyedMissleMan Racer

Well I would be one of Kuno's self confessed fan boys. There's a lot of good things in 1.0 however... where I had liveable settings with a bunch of candy turned off in EA/0.7, it's seriously a step backwards performance/graphics wise on my setup(***) going to 1.0. Dropping everything to low/mid settings still getting frame rates sub 50-60fps but then dropping the AA settings back to get some semblance of workable rates is making some tracks just look terrible (Silverstone). Given the performance *has* previously been better, just crossing fingers now this will get improved in a subsequent patch. I'd expected I would have been on it non stop, probably lucky to have done 2 hrs on it.

*** 7680x1440, 1800X, GTX 1080 TI on water overclocked.

My finger's been hovering over an RTX 2080 TI all weekend.

Onto the good stuff :
- In my motion rig blasting through Silverstone the Bentley is awesome, that sense of immersion takes hold once you get a few laps at speed.
- Loving the new content, that Vantage is eargasm material
- Good to see just how different each car feels (the Porsche!)
- Hunting for grip on Barcelona is great fun.

I understand how hard it is to get software out the door, so by no means getting out the pitchforks - just adding more data points for the devs to look at the overall engine performance.

SteelyEyedMissleMan, Jun 1, 2019

#647
Ghanja Racer

Coanda said: ↑

what is LWW smooth & LWW Gamma under display settings?
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Any explaination on these yet?

Ghanja, Jun 1, 2019

#648
BrakeCheck101 Racer

Cote Dazur said: ↑

Is it not the same for you, aren’t you quicker when qualifying than you are in race trim?
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Sorry, I've obviously not been clear enough.

My pace relative to the AI in qualifying is about 15th.

But when I move into the race, my pace is suddenly matching the top 5.

It's happened too many times for it to simply be a case of me learning the track more, learning better lines, getting used to the car etc.

BrakeCheck101, Jun 1, 2019

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ohjeah Hardcore Simmer

Does the save highlight function work? Assigned the button but nothing seems to happen when pressing it.

ohjeah, Jun 1, 2019

#650
After_Midnight Alien

Coanda said: ↑

what is LWW smooth & LWW Gamma under display settings?
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Ghanja said: ↑

Any explaination on these yet?
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These are options for Look With Wheel. Basically a build in RealHeadMotion.
Thanks Kunos for adding it back to the game

-LOOK WITH WHEEL : the amount of head motion while turning the steering wheel (0=LWW off/higher values results in higher amount of head movement left/right)
-LWW GAMMA : linearity of movement steering wheel/view (similar to a pedal gamma setting)
-LWW SMOOTH : smoothness of the movement of the view (0=view will follow immediately your steering wheel input/higher values will add some kind of delay)

I hope I'm right here and it is useful.

BTW: @Devs: Would it be possible to disable the full screen timetables at session endings while I'm still driving the car back to the pits? It's really an immersion breaker.
Of course it's not the most important thing atm

Greets After_Midnight

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After_Midnight, Jun 1, 2019

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Coanda Alien

Does anyone know why in the new pitstop strategy UI the min fuel to add is 2lt? In the MFD this can be 0?

Coanda, Jun 1, 2019

#652
donShere Hardcore Simmer

Skybird said: ↑

After having had an extremely rocky start, I am now able to run the sim stable and smooth in VR, pretty much comparable to 0.7.2. By my own exmaple I attribute my starting problems to erratic gfx driver replacement before installing the new version, I had a separate thread on the what and why and how.

The Good

The sim gives me 45 fps in VR, and I only talk about VR. 45 is smooth and fluent over here, I cannot notice the difference to 90, at least in ACC (all my other VR toys run 90, but they do not look smoother than ACC at 45). The quality of the graphics, on a technical side, are good enough for me. The actual artistic interpretation of the cars' looks and the locations's details, is breathtaking in most cases, I am stunned by how some of the tracks look. Doing Spa and sunset yesterday, the sights over Eau Rouge back to the building complex, was fantastic, and it is like this with many such tourist events I have had. I noticed that Brands Hatch looks steeper in VR than its pendant in AC1, is there something changed in the data or is the effect maybe due to something with the cockpit? I found the difference quite irritating
The wether effects and the day of time and external light effects, headlights from other cars, provide a very superior, almost photo-realistic experience, resulting in a cockpit immersion that is second to none, may it be in daytime sun, may it be at night or in stormy weather. I am blown away.

I cannot judge the cars' physics for their claimed "realism" since I lack the standard from reality to which I could compare. But the cars all have a destinct feel, feel differently, have thei individual styles and manners. They feel heavy and massive, the FFB I get from my wheel is just about right and extremely convincing, believable, the car feels alive and like an entity with true mass. The physics to me once again feel very, very good, providing a very believable illusion of being the real thing.

Some of the cars should be thrown into prison, that brutal their sound is: raw, animalistic, and super-dooper-realistic judging from TV coverage. I think ACC overtakes Raceroom in the sound department - and considering that Raceroom for me held the crown in racing sounds, that really tells something in my book. Also the mix of own car sounds and sounds from other cars and weather. Very convincing.

The AI has been improved over that in 0.7.2, it is a bit more stingy, far less hesitent to overtake, and more willing to bite. I have seen Minolin's one video were he described basic racing rules and taked about in how far the AI is affected in its behaviour by following these rules itself, too. With that understanding it makes sense what I see from the AI. However, following these rules also tames it to a degree that for my taste goes a bit too far. It seems to work better than in AC1, but I like the action provided by the Raceroom AI better: it sets up fights against other AIs more frequently and angrily, and that raises the entertainment factor tremendously. But the ACC AI is good, taken for itself, a good and solid "B" if rating RR's AI as "A".
These all are the important things of a race sim, and all these things are solid and good. I still wait for my first software crash, with having now maybe 6 hours on 1.0

I did not test MP, since it just does not interest me that much at all. No comment from me on MP, therefore. But I watched Minolin's video on explaining it in depth again, and I understood the rating system, and I can only say "Chapeau" to all that. For multiplayers, the system must be a very strong argument pro ACC, I fully understand that. But fact is that I am lookin for a way to disable the rating display in the HUD, since for SP the ratings mean nothing and are only distracting during close racing. They also can be obstrusive to the car'S mirror.

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The not so good

The core stuff above is embedded in a package, and this package shows some design decisoopns that I must seriously out into question and do not like that much, all of that is not decisive, but unnecessary. Really, some of these things I do noit like at all.

The general design of the game's menu looks over-ambitioned to me, like an attempt to be cool and sexy at all cost, or at leats just to be different than the others. I liked the AC1 menu a lot, it was straight, clean, self-explanatory, intuitive. This new one in ACC now is kind of cluttered. The structure in parts looks arbitrary to me, and that in VR you cannot use the mouse in menu is an unforgivable sin that really gets me furious. A mouse, just in case that Kunos team does not know that, is a well-proven technical design of greatest ergonomy , it allows easiest hand-eye coordination in controlling options and settings on a screen and is the optimal generalist and allrounder in the house - thats why it is around since thirty years now and attempts to "modify" the principle design and idea all have faltered: its ergonomy is superior. Now to control the menus via my wheel buttons with my VR headset on, makes the handling of the menu extremely clunky and a real messy experience. A very big No-no from me. This is the worst possible design there that they could have chosen. I hate PC games copying console menus and ignoring mouses, and I absolutely dislike the accepting of a worstening of the roundness of a wheel just for the purpose of reinventing said wheel. The wheel is round, it must not be reinvented, and a mouse-controlled menu must not be replaced with some new anti-ergonomic design idea only to be different than the others. - I am at war with the menu design and handling since 0.1, I do not like it. A Minus from me for all this.

Add to this that I struggle since years to understand why they must artificially limit the keybinding options for your hardware. There are functions that cannot be mapped because they are not available in the menu. You need separate software to do so - while there is no argument for raising the need of this! I did not like this in AC1, and I do not like this in aCC. Raceroom shows how it is being done: EVERY function, game and menu alike, is available for keymapping in the menu. Kunos must not chose for me what I am allowed to map and what not, I can decide my handling setup all by myself. - On the other hand, they did something very nice with the double mapping of buttons possible, pushing the button and holding the button for some time can be mapped separatrely, that doubles the slots for commands on your used hardware. Very elegant, very nice!

The ingame HUD, mind you, I see it from VR players point of view. Again the player gets limited in how he can arrange the several HUD apps. Unfortunatey, they all are locked in relative position to each other, in one layer that can be increased and decreased in size and can be zoomed in and out before your eyes, yes. But in VR, the texts are hard to read at default settings, so it must be all increased, which moves some of the apps into very unwanted positions and blows other apps up in size that is affecting the whole cockpit screen again. At night, it all is too bright while the rest of the world and cockpit is relatively dark. In VR, this means god-rays, and not too few. It should tone down in brightness with fading daylight. Also, apps are hard to individually switch them on and off, often you cannot, you always seem to be locked to some combinations that are fixed for you. For example I do not want that race standings table in the left bottom corner, I do not use it in race and find it obscuring and distracting especially at night, and it must be increased too much in size to be readable in VR. The app for the rating system top left corner sometimes conflicts with the mirror. The speedgauge and gear indicator also can conflict with the monitors some cars have, it also is, in this fixed layout of elements' relative position to each other, located too far to the right to be of convenient use without losing the front and track out of sight for brief moment (in VR), so when I blow it up in size, the tyre app also becomes very big, but it does not need this big size and is more to the centre and becomes obstructive in itself again. The F2 button cycles trough various settings but also has the page with commands that you do not want to have suddenly popping up while driving, and - well, its all several smaller things that all come together and in summary make me concluding that these design decisions have not been done well. In VR, these things must have greater degrees of freedom for resizing and repositioning. And individually switching them on and off. I am a bit surprised that they paid attention to include VR in developement explicitly and from beginning on, and the driving and car and world graphics stuff all works this well - but here witht he HUD and menus these many issues combining all to one big issue. I know, its no tchcncial bugs, its design decisions. But I absolutely question this design. Adding it all together, I give it a very weak D- . As much as I like the driving and sound and graphics, as little I like the menu design, the absent mouse for VR, the HUD.

I saw Minolins video on the weather and the reasoning behind not accelerating it per option. However. In single practice, but apparently only there, time of day can be accelerated, and linked to that: weather. Another issue I have. Kunos has made limitations for the player while the choice easily could have been left to the player - the players knows better what he wants and why anyway! I would like to have a trackday-kind of setup. Many people like that, thats why SOL mod for AC1 explicitly offers it, while AC1 did not. And maybe I would like to have that with AI cars on track, and with accelerated time of day, lets say factor 10. And maybe I would like to have a within reasonable limits an accelerated chnage of the weather and track conditions as well. Not possible. Minolin made good points in why not to accelerate weather, and I would limit the amount by which it can be accelerated, to, his argment makes sense. But at least i would allow it in a tamed way. Lets say by fixed acceleartion limits, factor 2 and 3, not more. That could be interesting still, while not throwing realism completely out of the window and avoiding hilarious weather events. But no, I cannot do any acceleration in lonely Practice at all, and for a trackday with cars I must work around, by setting up a race and using its practice mode there and having no accelerated weather and time of day again - with some of them not even allowing me to set the wanted starting time of day. Limitations, limitations, and the most important: >>>needless limitations. Workarounds should not be the functioning mode of a product. They are improvised temporary solutions meant for getting something erratic or missing running until it got properly fixed. To have work arounds by wanted design, is an unacceptable design philosophy to me.

The weather change to me so far was hard to even notice. I have variation at 35%, aleady quite much in Minolin'S thinking, and tried several starting weathers, played up to 60 minutes in one session. If somebody would have asked me and I would not have known the background, I would, have said: "static weather it is, its not dynamic". I do not often drive one hour in a row. Mostly it is ten lap races or something in the range of half an hour. These current dynamics in weather seem to be pretty useless for me. - Randomised weather might be fine, if it works, but being allowed to strictly defiinng the weather change you want, also is attractive. I am no lover of Project Cars, but the way they allowed the player to set up up to four "attractors" over the period of a race to have the weather then moving at these directions, was a very clever design thing, I think, I liked that.

Essence of these things: separate trackday option, with accelerated time of day at will of the player, and weather acceleration possible if he wants, limit it to 2x or 3x or so, if you think you really must command him at all. Other titles can do it, and they do it better that way - why can't ACC?

Once again no manual, no document collecting all details and infos that now are scattered across a thousand places, boards, postings. Too often already I had to search the web for something I needed and that would have belonged in to the documentation. These new online ways of "documeting" stuff means a very messy way of providing it to the customer, I absolutely hate it. A big extra Minus from me for that, I think this really in inexcusable. The ingame texts in menus are far from complete on the things that would have been needed to describe. WTFM! If you write posts and essays and explanations online, you could as well collect it all in one place, make a textfile of it, put it into a document folder in the installation, and you are done and every customer has it at his hands, easily, completely, without needing to look around online and cursing. The new ways are not always automatically the better ways. In this case, its a far inferior way.

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I think ACC is set to become the benchmark sim in the genre, despite its limited content and scope. But the roughness of the package, the listed secondary things I mean, I do not like, are quite many as well, so while I like to drive this sim very much, I am hesitent to give it the top mark that it could have gained if the package just would be less rough around the edges. While they got again their core competence illustrated in all its glory - physics, driving - , some of their design decisions for menu and their handling just leave me scratching my head, wondering. This is not to say that the priorities of a racing sim have not been met and served extremely well - and of course I imply that the currenty issues and bugs there are will be ironed out. In this regard I trust Kunos. For driving on the tracks included, this is now my to-go-sim. But due to the limited content, it will not become the only sim. It seems my list of used racing sims has grown from two to three. But I think I said that already last year: that I do not expect ACC to replace AC1 or see AC1 dying, but that ACC will live side by side with AC1 and the latter having many more years of life in it, due to its superior mod situation. ACC is a worthy addition to a race title collection already for the very good weather and night racing already - and in these it currently is second to none, especially racing in rain: Second. To. None.
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AYFKM !? => TLDR

donShere, Jun 1, 2019

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bartouze Gamer

Ælleden said: ↑

Have you tried same under rain in night with 20 cars around ???
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also he got an i7 6th gen and a card that still cost 250€ , that's a point . we dont all have a 800 €combo gpu/cpu most fps drop came from teh cpu , the game suck CPU usage like a dyson

bartouze, Jun 1, 2019

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Bogies Gamer

Has any1 else had issue with track medals with the new tracks ? i got them all and quit the game and now they all gone, mans a bit annoyed now

also it seems it did not save my driver ratings either, SA dropped back to 88 form 92

Bogies, Jun 1, 2019

#655
PLebre Hardcore Simmer

I was enjoying the replay of a offline race, 16 min, and how the cars bounce over the suspension, like the real thing and got a CTD u4 error.
Immediately after my brower open thing web page:
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/04/11/nvidia-gtx-graphics-card-dxr-ray-tracing-driver/

What is it?

PLebre, Jun 1, 2019

#656
Max Doubt Racer

Yes it seems to occur after outages. Maybe they could disable the requirements until resolved. It has retained 2 medals for me each time btw.

Bogies said: ↑

Has any1 else had issue with track medals with the new tracks ? i got them all and quit the game and now they all gone, mans a bit annoyed now

also it seems it did not save my driver ratings either, SA dropped back to 88 form 92
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Max Doubt, Jun 1, 2019

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Michael Hornbuckle Alien

I grabbed my little 4 core i3 off Ebay for $75 and it runs a full field of ai no problem.

Michael Hornbuckle, Jun 1, 2019

#658
Bogies Gamer

Max Doubt said: ↑

Yes it seems to occur after outages. Maybe they could disable the requirements until resolved. It has retained 2 medals for me each time btw.
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i got 3 track medals for silverstone yesterday and i even lost those, not only the ones i got today, very odd indeed

Bogies, Jun 1, 2019

#659
After_Midnight Alien

Michael Hornbuckle said: ↑

I grabbed my little 4 core i3 off Ebay for $75 and it runs a full field of ai no problem.
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At least my CPU should beat your i3 in all aspects. Except the price. But I can't say "handle a full field of AI (28) without any problems"

After_Midnight, Jun 1, 2019

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