TrackIR and head tracking discussion

Actually, a lot of recent racing games don't have TrackIR. WRC7 (and sadly WRC 8 too)/vRally 4/TT Isle of Man by Kylotonn, MotoGP & Ride series by Milestone, Dakar 18 by BigMoon... (Those games by Milestones and BigMoon are on Unreal 4, btw)
Even if they're not really "sim" IMO, and not AAA games like MS or Codemasters.
(Actually, are you sure about trackIR for FH4 ? I thought MS gave up a while ago, after Forza Motorsport 4 IIRC ?)

Now, I know, Kunos is not a AAA company aswell (even though they're making top notch games, so far). Just have to keep faith.

 

But they have VR in the game and I'm sure a lot more people own TrackIR than VR headsets.

 

I just hopeful that now that the game is released and we’ve had the first few hot fixes that Kunos might get around to adding some of these “nice to have” features. They’re community-pleasers, and the sort of thing that might make a Race Department article on a slow news day. We can but hope

 

When I bought ACC I never dreamed it wouldn't have Trackir because AC has it. If it stays this way i'll stop playing ACC. Using buttons to look around is an immersive killer. I have no interest in VR.

 

As a long time TIR user it has taken me a while to get use to not having it there. I gave ACC’s version of look to apex a go, but like a lot of people I discovered that the problem with this is the same issue that VR suffers from if you remove the synchronisation between head motion and what you see happening on the screen; something quite nausea educing after a while.

Which, incidentally, is pretty much the same feeling I get when I hear people declare that TIR is not needed and we should just map a couple of buttons to look left and right

 

You barely have to move your head to see the apex. It's really a non issue. In flight sims I can look behind me with no effort. Race sims in comparison are simple to look around.

However, it's your choice. Using buttons doesn't work well for me.

 

Ah, there I go not explaining myself too well again - Apologies for the misunderstanding my friend, I'm also a big fan of TIR and have had to get use to not using it, simply because, well, I can't of course

I mentioned nausea because, as I found out, your brain needs to sync a head movement (no matter how small) with moving the camera, which you don't get with the current move the wheel to move the camera implementations - I agree, button activated look is no substitute either.

 

I get nauseous every time I've tried VR but I have no problems at all with the implementation of look-with-wheel in ACC. I had to play around with the settings a little but now (until TrackIR support arrives - please!!!) it's not too bad at all IMHO - and much better than just staring ahead all the time.

 

Do we know how difficult it is to implement TrackIR? Just wondering if when they do get round to it, it would be a relatively quick fix or not....hoping it’s not a hard thing to do, doesn’t seem like it should be.

 

I'm not sure that it's a question of the once off effort/difficulty, but rather the complexity that will result from forking the UE4 build (similar to the triple screen issue).

Kunos mentioned that one of the key reasons for going with UE4 was to reduce the amount of time spent developing and maintaining the game engine, so that they could focus their efforts on gameplay.

Once they build custom functionality for triple screens / trackir, they effectively create a fork of the vanilla UE4 release, meaning that every time a new game engine version is released they would need to go back and add back the functionality. This could become quite a task as changes made to UE4 could break the custom functionality they created, requiring bug fixes and potentially significant rework.

There is a significant case to rather wait for the game engine Devs to build the functionality to avoid this added complexity.

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Or possibly write the code such that it can be submitted back to upstream and might be included by the game engine devs in one of the next releases.

 

I hope that’s not the case, that’s pretty depressing if so. I really want TrackIR for my rig

 

So you're saying that it's not possible to just have a plugin for TrackIR without having to change the base code?

 

I don't know, but based on the fact that Kunos would rather wait for Epic to develop the triple screen support, I suspect that plugins too will need constant rework for each UE4 release.

 

That'll be me giving up on ACC for the time being then...... ... at least until some kind of head-track support arrives...

 

Don't. I'm just speculating (which I probably shouldn't have done).

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I think that the triple screen problem needs something changing within the code to generate the separate images, whereas the TrackIR problem seems to just needs something to manipulate the view in real-time. Or maybe I'm just over-simplifying things.

 

For Edtracker it should be a simple add, all we need is configurable 'look up/down' buttons:

https://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/...tracker-its-really-simple-to-implement.51816/

"To support EDTracker in ACC you would need to allow the user to bind a joystick input to "look up/down" and "look left/right"."

 

First, I'd say if it's implemented then properly, not by a lousy hack.
Second, they don't need to implement what you asked for, you can use software like JoyToKey or similar to assign a joystick to a keyboard input.

 

But this would be a digital input, right? No axis simulation. By the way there is also free track, not only TrackIR.