AI difficulty frustrating

Months behind the PC version?

 

@Michael Hornbuckle ?
You probably know exactly.

 

The AI is broken, fact. I just did first event with Bow, I scored above 7000 where 3000 is needed for first. During second event which is race they're just behind me on easy.

 

Yes. The reason why there's no RedPack for example is that they still don't have all those fancy SF15 systems in console version of AC.
Stefano talked about it in the stream and that they want to bring the console version on par with the PC as it's also easier to work since devs working on consoles often ask Stefano about stuff that has already changed.

 

Think people need to understand you're not expected to win all the races..
It's not going to be very realistic if you can catch and beat an e92 m3 with an e30 over 4 laps no matter what the difficulty..

 

Why even have it in the game at the first place then? It would be one thing if it was some kind of different class race, so you would get gold by winning against the AI that have the same cars as you or cars that do the same times but thats not the case.

 

That first sentence is crap bro.


Pedal to the metal

 

Here is some more PC vs Xbox One AI difficulty comparison, just to add some data to the discussion and I do like a bit of data (call me boring if you wish ). I'll also post this as an Xbox One bug report so it doesn't get lost in the longer discussion.

For tl;dr here is the short version - Console difficulty level Easy = PC 88%, Medium = PC 91%, Hard = PC 95-96%, Alien = PC 100%. Effectively console players do not have the option of the easiest 80% and 85% type difficulty levels, which make the game more accessible when starting out and mean you can race without concern for setups etc.

Long version with screenshot data:

I carried out this test on the PC and Xbox One using as close to the same track, temperatures and cars as possible. I say as close as possible because it is currently impossible to create the exact same conditions,

Temperature: although I set the same time of day and temperatures there was a 4 degree difference in track temperature.
Cars: On PC custom car grids can be set freely, on the PC version I chose only GT3 cars. On Xbox One there is only the option for Same Class, so with my car set as the Nismo GT3 and same class selected the Xbox One version selected both GT3 cars and some GT2 and other similar cars.
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Using Brands Hatch Indy and the GT3 class in a quick race weekend with 5 minute qualifying cars here are the screenshots for the qualifying lap times at various difficulty levels. There is a lot more data you can dig into here about individual cars too if you wish.

PC AI 80% - no Console equivalent available


PC AI 85% = no Console equivalent



PC AI 88% = Console Easy difficulty


Console difficulty Easy


PC Difficulty 91% = Console Medium difficulty


Console Medium difficulty


PC AI 95% = Console Hard difficulty


Console Hard difficulty


PC AI 100% = Console Alien difficulty



Console Alien difficulty

 

I assume most pc players use wheel not controller, am I right?

 

We cant really know that. According to steamspy it is 326,970 that have AC on steam. I guess the only ones that can get some kind of data about how many of them using a wheel when they play is Kunos.

edit: About 50k have been playing in the last 2 weeks. Would be interesting to know how many of them using a wheel and how many using gamepad/keyboard-mouse.

 

I think I know where you are going with this, and I can tell you that Stefano's (Lead Programmer and Kunos co-owner) answer would be to 'get a wheel', and he would not care how hurt anybody's feelings were that didn't want to hear that answer.
Anyways, this thread is about a potential bug that is causing the ai in the console version to be considerably more difficult at lower difficulty levels than they are on the pc.

 

Is it even possible to play it with keyboard and mouse? How do you turn like that?

 

But you're not required to get gold in any of the events I've come across so far. 2 bronze 1 silver to progress you're not expected to win.
If people here want the difficulty lowered enough so you can beat the e92 with the e30 then I can't understand it, what's the point that's not realistic.
3rd place is attainable in that particular event which counts toward the 2 bronze or better and 1 silver or better requirement to progress..

 

You move your mouse to move the steering wheel.

 

They need to make it more accessible if they want to make money on consoles, before bad word will spread.

 

They need to bring the speed of the ai down to the pc levels on the easy difficulty, but beyond that if you need 'more accessible' there are plenty of other car games for that. Kunos knows that only a small percentage of car game enthusiasts are actually going to be hooked on AC; the entire point of being on the console is to see whether that market is even big enough to care about when it does come time for AC2. Spreading word about AC being too hard to drive is actually a compliment to the team that creates AC.

Anyways, this is a very good bug report thread, no need to get it any more off topic.

 

Once they'll sort difficulty problem, they need to add text explanation to each setting, what's gamma steering? Toe, camber or tire pressure? How it affects car etc, it helped a lot in gt or pc. They can't assume that everyone already knows this, there's a lot of interested newcomers with each game of this type being released.

 

So I tried the third race in the first series that I think everyone says is bugged, attempted on alien setting but the lead car was considerably more powerful than me. Changed it to hard and noticed that the pole car had changed from an E30 'Step1' to a plain E30. I don't know if this was to be expected but usually AI doesn't randomly change cars like this unless the AI driver skill is very tightly controlled.

 

It's clearly not that AC is too hard to play. It's that the majority of people aren't brilliant at a skill they've never tried before. I don't play golf, i expect if I went to my local golf course I'd be really **** at golf. I wouldn't cry about it and say the golf club is broken.

It took me weeks to get competitive at AC, months to become consistent enough to do well at long races. I see that as value for money. Seems many people see the fact you have to practice to be good at something as unfair.

 

They do explain what the different things you can setup on the car does.