Any DX12 or Vulkan plans?

@Andrew,
thank you very much, I had only a few apps such as g-meter and fuel consumption enabled in the menu but not even on screen.
I deactivated those and did one lap on the nord, not one jerk and look at my benchmark result.
AC VERSION: 1.5.6 (x64)
POINTS: 15971
FPS: AVG=109 MIN=30 MAX=174 VARIANCE=12 CPU=80%

LOADING TIME: 14s
GPU: AMD Radeon (TM) R9 390 Series (1920x1080)
OS-Version: 6.2.9200 () 0x100-0x1
CPU CORES: 8
FULLSCREEN: ON
AA:4X AF:16X SHDW:2048 BLUR:0
WORLD DETAIL: 5 SMOKE:5
PP: QLT:5 HDR:1 FXAA:0 GLR:5 DOF:5 RAYS:1 HEAT:1

that's crazy, thank you, finaly I get the performance of my hardware that I expect.

 

Ian Bell (Project Cars) said that DX12 will boost performance by 30 or 40% which would be very useful for VR headsets.
The next Project Cars 2 will use DX12, i hope that AC will make the change too.
Automobilista will come to DX12 in 2017 too.
I guess these guys are not *****s.
(and Rfactor 2 will swap for DX11, great news too)

 

Well, another reason to keep myself far away from Project Cars 2.

 

Ehh... unless they do a major rewrite of their engine DirectX12 will not lead to a 30-40% boost in performance. It's not as easy as to switch from API A to API B, Vulkan and DirectX12 require a very different approach to a lot of things to really make the most out of it. It's not a surprise that there are very few games so far with DirectX12 support that show an performance improvement over DirectX11 at all.

Edit: Didn't see that I already made a comment about this before... same thing all over...

 

Well, Bell is not a programmer and Reiza never wrote a graphics engine, so I'd be very careful in considering wishful thinking (and marketing) as truth.
What we know right now is that Doom runs amazingly well with Vulkan but UE4 runs worse with DX12.
Polls say.. too close to call

 

I think Mantle showed very well that performance improvements are possible, but yeah, it's not for free, you have to put hard work into it.

However, my major concern with DX12 is that it only runs on Windows 10, so I will never have it.
So if pCars2 (or any other game) would require that, I won't buy it, period.

IMO, AC runs quite fine as it is now.
If replacing an API, then maybe DirectInput would be a better candidate since from what I've read about it it has quite some limitations.
But I don't know if there are good and widely used replacements available (doubt it) and writing your own code to circumvent it (like iRacing does) isn't necessarily the best idea either.

 

Would there be any potential of AC making use of/supporting textures using the newer Block Compression (BCn) DDS algorithms? It seems that in particular the BC7 DDS compression algorithm produces very little by way of compression artifacts compared to the standard DXT5 DDS compression with the same/similar file size to the latter. I know that BC6H/7 textures are only supported by DX11, though I did try to save one of my skins as a BC7 DDS texture, but unfortunately the game hung when I tried to load the skin in game.

 

DX12 allows direct access to the hardware that's where is the improvment in my opinion (and multicore CPUs usage).

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/04/19/dx11_vs_dx12_intel_cpu_scaling_gaming_framerate/1

 

Huh so it wasnt just me, ill admit i didnt look into it but yeah i did get noticably(around 10-15%) fps and gpu usage with DX12 when faffing around with the various projects ive made(none of them are too complex so i doubt it benefit much anyways). Need to try Vulkan though. 30-40% is very wishful thinking even with tech demos. Wonder if i can change api in RPGMaker

 

He said that, and then said DX12 support for Project Cars was coming, but then it never came. These magical performance improvements they promised us just never materialized whatsoever.

Take performance improvement figures for these things with a grain of salt, anyways. They are probably being plucked from 'best case' scenarios and real-world gains would likely be more variable(if there are any at all).

 

Project Cars 2 will use DX12 (as Forza).

 

I think Reiza have since stated they will use DX11 next year to avoid requiring Win10 - much like rF2 will have; to my understanding in both cases, the bulk of the conversion work is done by Studio397.

 

IIRC - initially SMS said they would update Pcars to DX12 but, later (still during Pcars Beta) said they learned it would essentially require starting over and the only reasonable solution would be to design Pcars2 for DX12 from the ground up and leave Pcars with DX11. Because there were many features requested (by the WMD community) for Pcars that could not be included within the planned timeline, most agreed that it made more sense to finish Pcars and then plan for these things in Pcars2 - rather than delay launching Pcars for another year or more. DX12 support was not the only requested feature that was then transferred to the sequel title's road-map.

Whatever Pcars2 turns out to be, it's all moot if it doesn't drive with higher levels of "Sim-Refinement" than it's predecessor IMO.

 

BF1 runs a bit worse on DX12, but it's implementation is as basic as they come. Maybe it's the same for UE.

 

it's quite normal, every new API needs its time to be understood, drivers need to get up to speed, engines need to be designed over them and so on, that's why I always chuckle at marketing buffs claiming a new miracle has arrived it has been exactly the same for every DX version before.

 

I went from 80 AVG FPS on The Talos Principle to 110 with the Vulkan beta on Linux that is made by one guy from an engine made for Dx11.

I hope you have some time to take a look at this video from the last Steam Dev Days @Lord Kunos (pretty please):

 

I can look at whatever you want, it does not change the fact that these kind of changes are not something you do on a released 3 years old game.
If ever I'll get to design a new engine on Vulkan/DX12 it will be something that will take years to come out so.. sleep tight nothing to see here.

 

Ok, so for how many years has AC to carry on for this?

(Just kidding … )

 

I wasn't talking about AC, just telling you to considerate Vulkan before Dx12 for the future.

 

Ian Bell was still stating after release that they were working on DX12. They made a whole lot of comments that suggested it was going to come.

The reasoning behind not seeing it for PCars is understandable, but the communication of the whole affair was pretty terrible. And I'd still be highly sceptical about the claimed performance improvements as a general, universal figure.

Actually the Talos Principle's Vulkan branch is pretty dang inconsistent, and downright awful for many.