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BMW 1M, M3, M4 suspension, weight transfer

Discussion in 'Chit Chat Room' started by ouvert, Aug 3, 2017.

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  1. Michael Hornbuckle

    Michael Hornbuckle Alien

    Hopefully Aris has better things to do then respond to every thread where people think something is wrong with the physics simply based on their feelings.
     
    Michael Hornbuckle, Aug 4, 2017
    #21
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  2. Nahkamarakatti

    Nahkamarakatti Alien

    Oh please..
     
    Nahkamarakatti, Aug 4, 2017
    #22
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  3. Michael Hornbuckle

    Michael Hornbuckle Alien

    How many times have Kunos said that if you think something is wrong, show data that backs up your claim and they will investigate it. Pretty sure Aris has stated repeatedly that claims based on 'I feel' is simply a waste of his time.
     
    Michael Hornbuckle, Aug 4, 2017
    #23
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  4. Christopher Low

    Christopher Low Alien

    The BMW 1M is one of my favourite cars in Assetto Corsa, despite the somewhat unstable handling. I hope it never changes ;)
     
    Christopher Low, Aug 4, 2017
    #24
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  5. ouvert

    ouvert Alien

    dont wanna bother him with this .. M3 seems to be common enough that I would expect somebody in this community with track experience in that car .. and as Michael said .. I don`t have any data to back it up .. just comparison with other cars on the same track (IRL and game) .. not enough even for me ;) that why, as I said in opening, didn`t post it in physics bug section
     
    ouvert, Aug 4, 2017
    #25
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  6. stefanoCasillo

    stefanoCasillo Alien

    @Aristotelis used to own a M3, just FYI
     
    stefanoCasillo, Aug 4, 2017
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  7. donShere

    donShere Hardcore Simmer

    I feel like most cars in AC nowadays need more front and rear toe settings towards or at positive values instead of negative than in the past to have midturn grip and stability on the straights (Z4 E89 feels very sensitive to that IMO for instance). I'm far from a setup connoiseur though, I wonder if other people have the same experience. Also feel that having the tyre pressure 1 or 2 psi too low can make the car feel very sluggish and unstable on straights, just as too much camber now can give the car very inconsistant grip levels midturn. All things I feel that were different in the past on AC and more logic. Could all be placebo tricks playing with my head, try it out or enlighten me.
     
    donShere, Aug 4, 2017
    #27
  8. ouvert

    ouvert Alien

    camber for sure ... before new TM you could use minimun or maximum camber without really affecting temps or even laptimes (only tested in Tatuus) ... now it is different story ... that is a good thing though
     
    ouvert, Aug 4, 2017
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  9. Robin_NL

    Robin_NL Alien

    Guys, what's the issue?
    IRL Having had a 1M for >3 years , an E90 M3 for 2 years and now driving an M2 for >1 year I'd like to chime in:)

    EDIT: I tracked/drifted them all for a fair amount as well.

    Cheers
    Robin
     
    Robin_NL, Aug 4, 2017
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  10. ouvert

    ouvert Alien

    @Robin_NL
    and you would say stock suspension is handeling body roll in similiar fashion as in game ? boaty, like shocks are soft, not really effective but it is easy to catch and correct .. transfering a lot of that behaviour into the steering? not necessary on power .. in general ...
     
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2017
    ouvert, Aug 4, 2017
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  11. Robin_NL

    Robin_NL Alien

    Yep sort of(1M/E90 M3) . Lift/power oversteer sometimes feels a bit too easy ingame on a dry track on those PS2 tyres. IRL it's more a on/off (grip/slip) situation. But the feel is alright. 1M ingame is more playable and catachable ingame than IRL on stock Pilot Sport 2 tyres
    On drifttyres the real car comes closer to 1M S3 version. IMHO.

    Only thing Kunos did do 'wrong' are the brakes:
    After 2 or 3 laps M3/1M stock brakes are almost gone IRL:)

    Cheers
    Robin
     
    Robin_NL, Aug 4, 2017
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  12. ouvert

    ouvert Alien

    brakes, I suspect are game design decision :) ... going over 200 to Cimini turn I had to adjust braking point basicaly every lap ... with limited feel you wouldn`t wanna do it in game I think.

    anyway Im not really talking about grip, for what I`m curious you don`t need to be close on edge .. more about amount and how it is dealing with body roll, how much is it transfered to steering in that car and how much you need to correct before it waves back to other side and upsets itself .. but I don`t wanna bother you it seems like it feels similiar to you .. thanks I adjust my expectations for this one :)

    And knowing Aris has direct comparion for this one too I`ll choose to believe .. thanks all for keeping it civilized ;)
     
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2017
    ouvert, Aug 4, 2017
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  13. Robin_NL

    Robin_NL Alien

    OK:)
    IRL 1M on dry there is way more grip/traction(PS@ tyres stock) than many carjournos suggest, and 'no understeer ' almost (M2 too: 'no understeer' ingeneral)
    in the wet it's another story(M2 way more planted) but that's logical:)

    So ingame I feel:
    -more understeer
    -easily oversteerable
    -easier catchable
    -less grippy

    than in real life, but the whole feel is very very good.

    IMHO.

    Cheers
    Robin
     
    Robin_NL, Aug 4, 2017
    #33
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  14. William Levesque

    William Levesque Alien

    Considering half this sh*t is black magic and numbers being interpreted by an engine... Feel can sometimes not be too far off reality :p
     
    William Levesque, Aug 4, 2017
    #34
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  15. Robin_NL

    Robin_NL Alien

    Real life 1M on drifttryres on a wet track is like Gran Turismo on the Playstation, not kidding.

    Cheers
    Robin
     
    Robin_NL, Aug 4, 2017
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  16. ouvert

    ouvert Alien

    and dont forget .. numbers lie :)
     
    ouvert, Aug 4, 2017
    #36
  17. William Levesque

    William Levesque Alien

    No idea what's a drift tyre :p
     
    William Levesque, Aug 4, 2017
    #37
  18. Robin_NL

    Robin_NL Alien

    A not so grippy tyre on wet/dry surfaces.

    Like those Chinese cheapo Sh1t brands ;-)
    Or a wintertyre in the rain/dry.

    Cheers
    Robin
     
    Robin_NL, Aug 4, 2017
    #38
  19. garyjpaterson

    garyjpaterson Alien

    Or premium tyres that are nearing 20 years old... those were more lethal than any budget tyre I've used :p
     
    garyjpaterson, Aug 4, 2017
    #39
  20. William Levesque

    William Levesque Alien

    Meanwhile in real drifting they use super understeery setups and semi-slicks, lel.
     
    William Levesque, Aug 4, 2017
    #40
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