grip , slide , drift comparison with new rF NSX mod

I went back to rF to check newest Niels NSX mod :


I got to say im stunned how good it is . Dont get me wrong I love AC and I see huge potential in AC . I would like to just give me feedback . I dont know if Aris have tryed NSX mod but I highly recommand it .
I think in AC there is small issue with front wheels grip when you doing some speed slides/drift with low lean degree . I think cars lack a bit of kinetic energy /mass while drifting on high speed and wheels catch grip too easly on such situations . I think drifting in 458 and E92 for example ( stock + street tyres) should be bit "smooother" , also I found in AC missing tail sliding while heavy breaking , tail should want to go in front of me . For example look at this movie from F12 Barlinetta ;



Start from 7th minute .
Alot of BHP also insane quick throttle response but in AC in 458 is too hard to do so and it shouldnt be like that imho .

Edit : I know making slide in AC is very easy(maybe even too much ) but its not my point , my point is it lacks abit of smoothess and kinetic energy .

Good example here :

15:37 - 15:49 t
this is what I meant by smooth drift feel and kinetic energy .

 

110% correct Aristotelis.

 

Well sorry Aris you took it offesive which wasnt intended from my side at all. I think you doing awesome job (as rest of Kunos Guys )and from what I have seen so far AC is going to be my primary sim sooner or later .
I will try to record a movie and upload it to explain it more . You are right that it might not be an issue but in Physics section I couldnt find anything more "suitable"

Best Regards

 

As you already posted a Chris Harris video, let's do it again. This time with him explaining drifting. He also mentions the biggest mistakes while drifting and even mentions your "issue": the snappy comeback when you want to regain grip and overdo it.

Great video anyway.

 

I was owner of E39 M5 for couple of years and I did 120k kms with fair amount of having fun in it and trust me I know that front wheels on error with not enough "slide speed" will catch grip and spin you other way .
I was saying that front wheels catch grip too early (in my opinion ofcourse ) and powersliding on small degrees isnt smooth as much as I think it should .

 

There is a chitchat forum for posts that arent addressing a bug or an actual ISSUE. Being different isnt a bug or issue.

I agree with Aris when it comes to the topic at hand.

 

As I promised I made a short video to show what I meant:



I never drove 458 but I did 599 and many other cars on track . I also seen enormous amount of videos how car bahave , Im not such expert as Aris and I have no idea about programming physics in simulator . I just spent my time and gave my feedback , I hope now I made things more "clear".

(cant wait for another AC update )

 

When i encountered this problem i simply solved it by giving full throttle when exiting the slide to make sure the back wheels keep spinning. If you don`t give enough throttle the car just snaps back and throws you off line or out of the slide.
Now i drift however and whenever i want in perfectly smooth transitions 90% of the time...

 

I have to agree with Qusso. I noticed this the first day playing the game. The steering wheel might of had some input lag, or the screen.. It's still unclear to me, but I've got used to it by now.

My friend just bought assetto and seems to also agree on this case, and has far more experience on this type of driving. I think assetto just has too much grip generally..

 

That rFactor seems a lot worse thought, not good to point out this matter with that

 

rFactor overall - I agree its not best point to follow , but have you tryed this NSX mod ?

overall grip level is very good in my opinion , but in some cases its not understadable for me thats it . I expect from Kunos much more than from other studios since I think they are the best in this branch , all they need is to gether enough money from this project to expand , hire 15-20 more people and then we all be in Simheaven Maybe in couple of years they will have enough resources to make European version of iRacing

 

Niels also built a Lotus to test if he could make it like the tech preview. Pretty cool to watch. Half way through the vid is the replay cam views.

 

Maybe the AC team should invite Chris Harris or Tiff Needell for a test drive? I remember Tiff did a racing game segment on 5th gear and he rubbished all of them lol, I was very surprised he thought Forza4 isn't very good at all because I thought the tyre model is quite realistic.

 

It's obvious it was all for marketing.. "GT5 best so far" and he went through iracing etc? yeaaah...

 

haha yeah probably marketing.. I just watched it again, 2 codemasters game got in the top 3 what the hell!? interesting what he had to say about the 458 in Forza 4 though.

 

What I like the most about rFactor is that all relevant physics files are open for modding.
I tested 5 minutes the Nsx and immediatly have felt the tire curves way too forgiving at big attitude angles (same as the Supra, while the C06 is better) .
Than I changed the lateral slip table to more realistic values and incorporated my own tires as a vehicle modification inside the mod: now I really can't stop hotlapping in AutumnRing with one of the best sim-car ever made.

I hope in the near future we will able to do the same with AC tires... really can't wait!

 

So what you have actually proven, beyond doubt if I may add, is that no two people will ever agree on whats realistic and whats not!