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Progressive system penalty

Discussion in 'Chit Chat Room' started by Darcy Callai Junior, Dec 29, 2014.

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  1. Minolin

    Minolin Staff Member KS Dev Team

    I have invested quite some time, and got less pessimistic.

    The cool:
    1) The penalty is reduced to dangerous zones. No more going out on the straight, getting slowed and probably causing an accident because of that.
    2) The zones will - when triggered - give you different scores of penalty = seconds you need to cut the gas. This is partially true for single corners, you can cut monza t1 on different ways to get 5 - 20s penalty time.

    The bad:
    - Finetuning, but this is a quite usual process
    - Braking currently counts to the slow down time, which isn't that good imho
    - The chosen path is pretty good, but can't end in a perfect solution

    The system will never satisfy your "customers" (serious people like leagues), Wally. But it's better than the 5s because tyre-out one.
     
    Minolin, Mar 13, 2015
    #401
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  2. Albert McSaltens

    Albert McSaltens Alien

    my thoughts is that is should be replaced also for a better and simple system,

    Why not use the delta, so know how much you gained in a corner you cut and just make the driver lift throttle till he looses that amount of time,
    and if he corsses the finish line without giving away that time, make it make a drive through, in 3 laps , and before race finish, if not then black flagged,

    That is my suggestion for penalty system
     
    Albert McSaltens, Mar 13, 2015
    #402
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  3. Minolin

    Minolin Staff Member KS Dev Team

    Exploitable too easy. For the quality of the penalty system the delta is #1 (and fairly simple), but the question is "which delta"?

    Your recorded best lap? Gives you a lot cutting potential for not-so-perfect conditions
    Your session's best lap? What do you do in your first lap? And what if you (as a professional cutter) start cutting the same corners in the first lap?
    Another player's lap? What if he's faster than you? What if he's slower?

    Edit: Ah, and you could exploit the penalty system to negate an early mistake by cutting a later corner
     
    Minolin, Mar 13, 2015
    #403
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  4. sirgaric

    sirgaric Hardcore Simmer

    What is simple to explain may be not so simple to implement.
     
    sirgaric, Mar 13, 2015
    #404
  5. Albert McSaltens

    Albert McSaltens Alien

    for pro cutters the system should be made that if you cut 3 times or more then get a drive through.
    And the delta should be you session best, if you are faster in that section than you can do in a clean lap then means you gain time, otherwise you lost by cutting or at least didn't gain what you could by dooing a proper corner. first lap could just be counted as one of those 3 cuts to get a drive thourgh.

    May not be easy to implemente what other can do it, why not them
     
    Albert McSaltens, Mar 13, 2015
    #405
  6. Minolin

    Minolin Staff Member KS Dev Team

    This is an incentive to cut/exploit the system 2 times, just like drawing a line. Sry, nope.
    I'm ok with some special treatement for too many detected cuts; but every cut has to be penalized.

    So if I cut the first two laps I'm fine? @Monza T1 this is something like 20 seconds, allowed by the design of the system.

    But how can you tell what was a cut without reference time (= reference delta)?
    The personal record reference might be too fast, so you can still cut T1 and slow down until you're in your personal record time, ignoring grip, fuel or tyres. (Edit: or manipulated local files)
     
    Minolin, Mar 13, 2015
    #406
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  7. Michael Hornbuckle

    Michael Hornbuckle Alien

    Stefano has already said he isn't spending any time on a system that gives somebody a freebie, much less three of them.
     
    Michael Hornbuckle, Mar 13, 2015
    #407
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  8. Albert McSaltens

    Albert McSaltens Alien

     
    Albert McSaltens, Mar 13, 2015
    #408
  9. Minolin

    Minolin Staff Member KS Dev Team

    This is why this topic is called progressive penalty system; and overall why it's so ****ing difficult.
    Of course I wanted to say "every intentional cut that leads to some unfair advantage has to be penalized". Opposed to "why don't really know, so you may cut 2x before the same logic applies".
     
    Minolin, Mar 13, 2015
    #409
  10. WallyM

    WallyM Alien

    AKA ”the way they do it in real life”.
     
    WallyM, Mar 13, 2015
    #410
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  11. Michael Hornbuckle

    Michael Hornbuckle Alien

    Real life gives you three free cuts a race? Who knew? I had no idea that was a universal rule that was enforced by all sanctioning bodies. (Somebody might want to let the SCCA know about that; in their series you will receive a black flag if you blow a chicane and don't come to a complete stop)

    Oh, and here is a protip: We are playing a video game, this isn't real life racing no matter how much you tell yourself otherwise. There are differences between the two and determining fault is one of the biggies.
     
    Michael Hornbuckle, Mar 13, 2015
    #411
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  12. Albert McSaltens

    Albert McSaltens Alien

    if penalty system stays as is my the best protip for me is to disable the penalty system
     
    Albert McSaltens, Mar 13, 2015
    #412
  13. martcerv

    martcerv Alien

    For league racing wally's plp is still the best option. Amongst fair and honest drivers thats a good system. Anyone abusing such a system would be dealt with within a league anyway.

    For public servers if we cam at least have a workable system that gives no gain for huge cheat cuts and doesnt penalize pthers for running off track with no gain then this will be ok.

    I will try the penalty at monza tomorrow in a public server and see if that track is now useable with the current system. The old penalty was useless there as the first 2 chicanes even with the slowdown gave blatant cheats a huge gain.
     
    martcerv, Mar 13, 2015
    #413
  14. Minolin

    Minolin Staff Member KS Dev Team

    Exactly. This is ”the way they do it in real life”.
    Public or little moderated servers aren't really comparable to real life (but lol, I'd go watching this the whole day).
     
    Minolin, Mar 13, 2015
    #414
  15. Rui Santos

    Rui Santos Hardcore Simmer

    WTF??? Of course you don't have three cuts "to use", who is the retarded that is going to waste them in a 60 minute race and at the end if something go wrong (for avoiding an accident for example) you're black flagged? I think everybody understands that the three cuts are to prevent people from cutting and behave the entire race! That's what the penalty system says to me! It's only in emergency cases or errors!
     
    Rui Santos, Mar 13, 2015
    #415
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  16. Michael Hornbuckle

    Michael Hornbuckle Alien

    Yeah, because league racing competitive sim-racers would never game the system for an advantage....I'll have whatever you are smoking.......:rolleyes:
     
    Michael Hornbuckle, Mar 13, 2015
    #416
  17. Rui Santos

    Rui Santos Hardcore Simmer

    Not sure if you're talking at me, anyway it's their responsability, i wouldn't do it, believe me ;)
     
    Rui Santos, Mar 13, 2015
    #417
  18. Minolin

    Minolin Staff Member KS Dev Team

    But if you "allow" 2 cuts, they will be used by somebody who is optimizing within the rules in order to win. You wouldn't? Bad luck for you, others will be faster.
    I'd prefer a system where I'm in a perfect condition without abusing game mechanics.
     
    Minolin, Mar 13, 2015
    #418
  19. Michael Hornbuckle

    Michael Hornbuckle Alien

    Well then, since nobody would ever exploit the rules there isn't even any sense in having a penalty system at all. I'm sure Stefano will be more than glad to forgot all about it and move on to the next pain in his ............
     
    Michael Hornbuckle, Mar 13, 2015
    #419
  20. Rui Santos

    Rui Santos Hardcore Simmer

    Well if you do some stupid huge cuts (like monza first chicane) of course in that situation a league staff will penalize the driver, we're supposing everybody behaves on track, i'm talking about slight cuts or going too wide on corners, not about stupid people in public servers...
     
    Rui Santos, Mar 13, 2015
    #420
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