To Get To The Highest Level

I have a question in mind since a long time now,

to get to the perfect simracing game , i think all simracers on the planet have in mind .It should be a game with a steering wheel feeling close to real and a graphism close to a real picture.

For me (it´s just my opinion) today , we have ASSETTO CORSA , wich is the best , regarding realism handling and feelings in the steering wheel (FFB or what ever it should be called, lol) .

On the other side GRAPHICALLY, there is one "car game" (not a sim racing game) who get to a high level , is PCars.

I think if we take this two positives points on this two plaforms , we´ll could get to the Highest Level and the "PERFECT" SIMRACING game will be born?

So why not?

Put the "SAME" graphism effects likethe one in PCars, in ASSETTO CORSA and it´s done.

PS: The AC graphism are excellent already

 

I agree pCars do have impressive graphics and a decent physics.
AC do have impressive physics and good graphics.
Perhaps on a later v. 1.xxx we could have pCars graphics quality in AC

 

AC = overall physics, most car setup elements, moddability, Euro content, general road-racing experience
pCars = graphics, sound (however, there is talk of AC sound engine "revamp" after 1.0)
iRacing = multiplayer racing system, netcode, US content
Gran Turismo = Japanese content
NASCAR Racing 2003 Season = overall oval racing support, general oval racing experience
Next Car Game = visual damage/overall crash physics (however, AC's are yet to be seen)
Richard Burns Rally = off-road physics, general rallying experience (again, AC's is yet to be seen)

That's pretty much it, in my opinion.

 

Us sim racers don't care as much of eye candy. In my opinion AC look remarkably good and realistic without looking cartoonish. It's all so distracting when you see the blur and bloom used so much where all you need is see the apex and cars around you...It's not NFS, it's a sim, and as such, AC has amazing graphics.

 

You forgot about rFactor and GameStockCar

EDIT: Take a look

 

meh I dont get the fuss over pCARS graphics, they're nothing special imo. Replays look ok but in cockpit view everything looks raw, jaggy and shimmery. To top it off it runs like crap when you add AI, weather and night racing.

 

+1 @endgame
I'd rather have Kunos focus on expanding AC with weather, more tracks, different types of cars (some retro ones like the Capri obove or similar to the e30) and all that stuff rather than graphics. By the way whoever thinks lighting is off in AC take a look at this:

 

LFS clutch and transmission model + visual tire flex
RF2 real road
iR's mechanical damage (i like hard core damage)
BeamNG visual damage and soft body physics

 

Having overly saturated colors and strange effects does not mean having better graphics imo.
I don't wanna play and think "Oh god, this must be instagram" everytime.

 

It's sad some still think WoW-style graphics are still modern and realistic...

 

Anyone still think that @iVG
Very strong colours in WoW I always thought

 

I based my opinion of pCars' graphics off of this video, and some various screenshots I've seen. I don't know what's changed since this video was shot, since I don't yet own or play pCars, but it doesn't look "WoW-style" in the slightest. If that comment was directed to me, iVG, then I kindly ask that you stop talking down to me like I'm some ignorant bloom-obsessed COD player. Also, don't say "us sim racers" like you're speaking for everyone. Everyone has his/her own invidual preferences concerning what makes or breaks the immersion for them. I remember someone saying that the wrong kind of trees at the Nordschleife broke immersion for him. While I think that's a bit nuts, he's entitled to say so if that's how he feels.

Furthermore, AC is far from cartoonish, and the lighting certainly isn't off, so I certainly didn't intend to infer that.





I'm fine with how AC looks, and in fact, I love it. I just felt, from the aforementioned video, that pCars had a slight edge in its general ambience. That's all.

I didn't forget anything, though. I listed all the sims whose specific elements combined, in my opinion, would create the ultimate sim, and I think I covered pretty much all the bases. Not sure what rFactor and GSC offer that I didn't list, but to each his own

 

I was doing graphical comparion of pCars, AC, iRacing, Gran Turismo6 and Forza5

and AC - in my oppinion came out as the most CG/ Gamey looking sim of these,

pCars is probably the best, closely followed by GT6 and Forza5, iRacing having not really much FX/Candy, however looking convincing enough , and having very good/realistic pallette
I'm not saying that sim needs to look great, but if it can be improved, it should be !

pCars is already ahead in number of features ( important for RACING experience/Immersion .. not only driving) amount of content ( especially tracks) sound and if the physics gets to AC level, then pretty much only thing playing for AC will be that is has Ferrari's and is moddable - which of course has also big value ofc

see for yourself
these are random images, by NO WAY I was trying to pick bad or good ones of each game .. but more like an average
(please note, this is not meant as offense against AC, but this is how things are - in my oppinion, which is based on many years of experience in computer graphics/games/films VFX



and here comes Forza5
the color balacing, tones and all that looks just so much better .... maybe not more realisic (it's too yellow) - but this could be balanced out more towards blue as well
car is bit overlit - but hey, that's what camera does in real life ... although yes, your eyes not so much
really nice sky/horizon




pcars
I'm sorry ..but this is league of it's own .. much more natural ( although still quite a bit of yellow tint ... but I belive this was reduced in later builds, so it's probably even better now)
you can cleary see much more natural reflection on mono, it has nice fresnel falloff, much less CG like and especailly not really "old-gen"
background probably bit too much hazing , but this comes down to actual weather settings
no haze in iRacing isn't all that realistic as well





and here comes AC,

somewhere in between, certain lighting looks nice, but cars somehow feel very CG, .. even more then iRacing - strangly
it's mostly the lights - both front and especially rear when illuminated, but even the lighting overall, .. something ain't there yet




and GT6 which is imo still the best - having weather/night ..etc.
but the color balancing is just fantastic .. maybe more on artistic side then realism





I understand that different people will have different opinion about this,

 

AC looks good, .. great at certain conditions .. and perfectly acceptable .. but there is room for improvement, that M3 actually looks not so good, I understand that it's tweaked weather settings, so that's probably to blame

compare it to this one though ... see what I mean ?

 

No, Ethan, not towards you but more like the OP and the way he made it look like pCars is God of Racing Graphics or something. Sorry.

And I agree that last screen of pCars looks beyond sweet but then again it's all shots. AC better to me while driving. pCars colours look overly saturated, even for non-edited screenshot. All the detail on the cars and tracks though is amazing, I have to admit.

EDIT: Almost must point out that I haven't watched any pCars videos recently so my knowledge be may well out of date.

 

Absolutely see what you mean, and I agree AC has room for improvement. AC looks pretty stunning when the time is evening/morning, but there's something missing in the daytime that I can't quite put my finger on. It's certainly not bad by any stretch, and I shan't complain about them or cry for change, but those GT6 pictures are droolworthy. However, it should be noted that Gran Turismo has always rendered images taken with the Photo Mode, and it looks like those are photo mode too. If they actually are in realtime though, I'll be impressed.

No worries, apologies from myself. Just having a bit of an off night right now, didn't mean to snap.

 

Missed some apexes, tonight?
Sorry for derail.

 

that is true, however that photomode does pretty much only improve aliasing, it can also switch models to higher resolution models ( that are normally only seen in menu, )
but that doesnt' change the lighting, which is by far the most advanced form all the sims imo

GT6 is still on PS3, so it can't be realtime, however we shall see for PS4

and yes, AC doens't look bad, but as you say yourself, specially during day, there is something about it
by far the worst looking sim is rFactor2 that looks even more cartoony then anything else,

so AC is in good shape, it's main rival ( by me) is rFactor2, because that's also a sim heavily focused on driving rather then features ( even though it does have quite lot of them actually)
and being moddable

 

By the way, I thought pCars was considered a sim title...

 

Another AC vs PCars thread? Keep calm and buy both.