Progressive system penalty

I think yellow flags are important for tracks like Nordschleife.

 

@Michael Hornbuckle he also said
"Nobody here is willing to sacrifice replay quality for length"

I can assure you most league admins would be as it would not be used for a pretty video it would be used to resolve race incidents, so it can be done but will come at a cost

 

I think the way this is finally resolved would affect the “philosophy” of the game. From what Stefano, and many people here, says it seems that the emphasis right now is being put in “justice” (after technical feasibility, of course): fight cheating at all costs while trying to avoid unjust punishments for the mistakes of fair drivers. That makes a lot of sense if the ultimate goal it’s to make public servers racing very serious. So serious in fact that it would seem fit for a racing for money prizes model... But it also seems that this approach is not completely compatible with realism and immersion, or at least relegates them to a second concern, while makes arcadey solutions (ghost cars, take control out of the driver, transforming polyurethane signs into concrete...) a useful temptation.

If AC will continue to be just a game (a great simulation game) I would prefer a solution based in real rules as far as technically/reasonably possible even if that means some residual amount of cheating and/or unjust punishment. All I get from doing a good race is fun, self-satisfaction and an ephemeral final position message. For me trolling is a far worst problem than cheating and seems easier to tackle via automated kicks (xx seconds driving wrong way, xx seconds parked or lingering in the track=out) and better voting implementation. Cheaters are a nuisance but you can still have fun with the people that are racing fairly and normally are the fastest. Also immersion (in this case being punished and seeing flags for things they don’t understand well) could help to educate some “thugs” into “ordinary gentlemen”.

Thanks to Stefano for taking the time and patience to discuss all this in the forums.

 

Perfect world scenario for me regarding yellow flags....a spotter telling me 'caution ahead' rather than an annoying, arcade cartoon flag appearing in the corner or top of my screen. Even better if there are also animated corner workers displaying the flag, but I understand that AC is much more graphically intensive than older games and this might not be possible.

I still want drive through black flag penalty for jumping the start with a reset to pits, see you next race penalty if you don't server the black flag the next lap. Penalties on last lap get the throttle cut that we have now, but for double (or more) the amount of time.

 

Mod tracks could have a line in some setup file that indicates what kind of lap time a good driver can get in certain cars (gt3, m3, 312t for example). Then use those cars to calculate lap times for other cars. After time goes on you replace those lap times with the world records.

For mod cars same thing. Add a section in car.ini for 3 tracks (say mugello, megione and spa) and what lap times the car does on those tracks. Then use those lap times to calculate lap times for other tracks. The system does not need to be extremely well refined. Just accurate enough so you can tell if someone makes a blatant cut (needs to give more time back), small cut (give back little time) or did not gain any time at all when he went off.

 

@Lord Kunos can't you guys code something to save several replay files and merge them at the end of the race??

 

Black flags normally give you 3 laps to server the penalty if you get it at the end of the race it can simply add a time delay to your finish, no point continuing on with this stupid forced slow down business. Better just to do it as it is in real racing no need to reinvent the wheel and make it square.

 

Yellow flag is important Michael, arcade is not displaying any or spotter "guessing" for you...

An animated steward is possible and it's somewhat 1 or 2 FPS consumig, for sure not heavy and will bring life to tracks! They can hide as soon as they're not needed. Also it will be great for other flags, like checkered flag, etçª...

 

yeah, if this game should have the world's best penalty system, it has to implement lots of messurements like car speed(s), angle of the cars compared to where at the track etc etc.. but that would be an endless calculation, so we MUST try to find easier, maybe not 100% optimal but at least (more) useful solutions than the 5 sec penalty.
Even if Stefanoe did get all those things implemented there would still be moments where it would not be "fair".
Not even real life educated stewards agree and "what was happening".
One plus though is that game stewards can see the different cars from inside etc and have a closer look at how the person was racing (if the "I must not speak about" thingy was big enough..

I couldn't agree more, it's like a good dad patiently saying "you got 5 € to use in the candy store, so what do you want?"
It can be hard to be patient enough to hear what his 1000 kids in here want though, but we hope for patience

 

Can we do the OT about replays and yellow flags in another thread, this should be kept to stuff we can realistically have to be implemented before 1.1

 

What I meant was.. yellow flag is a very important information for the driver and we'll implement it.. what I will not implement is all the rules about not passing, not going faster than your best lap and so on.

 

How is a spotter calling out the caution 'arcade', yet having a cartoon flag on your screen that is triggered by the exact same actions that would trigger the spotter audible is not?

 

Think people don't like excessive HUD is more the reason than "arcade!". Either way I find spotter cheesy and don't mind HUD. Implement the HUD have an option to disable the flag HUD like the rest of the HUD. Those people then can rely on their spotters.

 

Let's end the Yellow flag here.
We got the King's word for it will be there later in some way.
Need sleep but wake me up if any news

 

What if i want the spotter turned off like i have in rFactor for example? Will i have to turn it on to get scared by a message from time to time? A yellow flag waving on track by a steward or on top of the screen is that bad??? So where are you guys pretending to put the other flags??? I really don't get you guys sometimes...

 

I know what the rule and penalty and such is in the real world; 3 laps to serve a penalty in a 5 lap race seems a bit daft.

 

Sorry then, misreaded your previous post about it
I agree that other things are not really necessary..

 

that would create a huge stutter when the save is triggered. I think the solution is a proper server side text report, easy to parse and analyse with entry for every contact, track cut and so on. Plus a server based position stream.. with a public documented format to allow people to write graphical analyzers. The server has the data you really want to look at, and, being a small application, it's quite easy to make it 64bit and remove any possible memory limit.

 

I think it has to do with the racing culture in different countries. In the US.. a spotter is very common.. in Europe is simply unheard of.

 

I just dont see any benefit of the forced slowdown penalty at all in any shape for any reason, this will just mean more slower cars on track and will effect everyone else. Give the person a time penalty if on the last lap rather then that please or at least give us the option to disable any slowdown penalty as its easily the worst thing in AC for me.