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Generic Weekly Hotlap Challenge #146 – The timekeeper’s target

Discussion in 'Console Lounge' started by Totall Wrytoff, Sep 15, 2019.

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  1. Pretend racer

    Pretend racer Hardcore Simmer

    @Biner I am braking at the red marking on the fence at t1 and I’m using abs. I use 100% braking power. It’s inportant to brake in a straight line as much as possible because that’s the best way to maximize grip while braking.
    Once you need to start turning in towards the apex it becomes all about trail braking which is a bit of an art. I am getting better but I’m no expert.

    It’s balancing the tires 3 types of grip - acceleration, braking and cornering. So in the beginning of the corner you use 100%braking forces, but then once you start to turn you need to lessen the braking forces to allow the tire to use some cornering forces to get around the corner . So approaching the apex you’ll be at 10-15% braking but 85%+ cornering forces. At the apex you should be off the brakes and gas so the tires will be at 100% cornering forces. Just after the apex, as you centre the steering wheel, you apply the throttle in order to keep use of the maximum grip of the tire, the opposite way of trail braking. So that when the wheel is straight youre back to full throttle and 100% acceleration forces.

    I know this all makes intuitive sense but until I started thinking about the amount of grip available like a Venn diagram I had a hard time realizing the full potential of what the car could do.

    Braking. Acceleration
    Max grip (Optimal lap time)
    Cornering

    ^thats my Venn diagram - you have to imagine the circles lol.


    I spent a lot of time in old sloppy cars with soft suspensions and little skinny tires, like Maserati 250f, lotus 25, Ac cobra, Mercedes sls amg. Cars like that amplify the effects of using too much brake or throttle or steering, it’s easier to figure out why you spun at a certain spot.
    Watching your replays and having the throttle/brake display on will help.

    Then I moved on to the momentum cars like the Mazada mx cup. The brakes on that car are so overpowered it becomes a question of how little braking can I get away with and still make the corner?
    The ford escort 1600 has a hard time putting the power down so it’s a good car to concentrate on corner exits.

    One thing I have noticed though is that if you get skilled at driving these sloppy "street cars" it doesn't necessarily mean you'll be skilled at driving high downforce race cars. The skills aren't neccessarily transferable...

    Don’t forget to look at your data telemetry as well. I used to think I was good at trail braking till I saw that my braking curves weren’t really curves just on/off, lol. Even now, I know I either don’t have the skill, or I need to adjust some setting in order to finesse the brake pedal properly. Worst case scenario I need a better set of pedals with more resolution.
    Look at the throttle curve too - it’s not supposed to be an on/off switch either. You want curves that look like ski slopes.

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2019
    Pretend racer, Sep 19, 2019
    #61
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  2. LeiF

    LeiF Alien

    Lol tell me about it :)
    Story of my (simracing) life!
     
    LeiF, Sep 19, 2019
    #62
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  3. Totall Wrytoff

    Totall Wrytoff Alien

    So, @Biner, there you well and truly go! Any questions?:D
    I for one have been trying to replicate @Pretend racer 's braking into Rivazza. The rule now is to pick a point 20m before he starts to slow and hammer the brakes there. It sometimes make the corner, most times still not.

    From all of us WHCers I'm sure; thank-you so much for your contribution @Pretend racer - superb, actionable insight and guidance.
    It will be some time, or maybe never, before I'm able to drive at the limit whilst constructing Venn diagrams in my head. But we can all now see and understand how to improve our braking.
    @Pretend racer, you are an artist and a scientist, genius and guru!
    This is a doctorate level master class from the WHC Chief Instructor everyone, lap it up!:rolleyes::)
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2019
    Totall Wrytoff, Sep 19, 2019
    #63
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  4. Biner

    Biner Hardcore Simmer

    Awesome good information and I believe I am guilty of on off braking and on off throttle, both of which are useful for initiating spins, especially combined with unsettling the car on by taking too much curb. I have not looked at telemetry at all...I will do that as well. Thanks to @Pretend racer for taking the time to pass on such hard won lessons.
     
    Biner, Sep 19, 2019
    #64
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  5. moodyryder

    moodyryder Hardcore Simmer

    Improvement
    moodyryder
    1.47.865
    Ps4

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    The joys of the training course. Not only am I now freshly requalified to dig up your street and cause infinite traffic misery, I was also home early enough to have a go on this before the Mrs. & kids got back.

    I turned both anti roll bars down to zero and got a significant improvement.

    A bit more perseverance and a '47 came along.

    I had a big weave out of the first chicane and lost time but got it back in the tight chicane and off the last turn.

    I'm getting haunted by the phantom distraction now though so I will retire here.

    Nice combination. :)
     
    moodyryder, Sep 19, 2019
    #65
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  6. Totall Wrytoff

    Totall Wrytoff Alien

    Nice time!
    :eek:
     
    Totall Wrytoff, Sep 19, 2019
    #66
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  7. StyleF1re

    StyleF1re Hardcore Simmer

    Improvement
    StyleF1re
    1.49.033
    PS4

    Assetto Corsa_93.jpg

    This was rough. Guess I really need to start putting in time again behind the wheel! Honestly feels like starting from square one with this challenge.
     
    StyleF1re, Sep 20, 2019
    #67
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  8. Lewisxbone

    Lewisxbone Alien

    Current standings:


    1. Pretend racer - 1.46.429 PC
    2. Lewisxbone - 1.46.693 XB1
    3. F1415182235 - 1.46.899 XB1
    4. Neilski - 1.46.964 PC
    5. Leif - 1.47.095 PC
    6. Moodyryder - 1.47.865 PS4
    7. Totall Wrytoff - 1.47.988 PS4
    8. Emmanuel Tubbiolo - 1.48.150 XB1
    9. ivann_11 - 1.48.199 PS4
    10. Biner - 1.48.476 PC
    11. StyleF1re - 1.49.033 PS4
    12. sIIssYdrIVer - 1.48.684 PC
    13. Peggy11 - 1.49.494 PC
    14. Laughing Gravy - 1.49.574 PS4
    15. Bobby Situkangpoles - 1.50.025 PS4
    16. Hugo Catarino - 1.51.096 PS4
    17. ChaosChris - 1.51.734 XB1


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    Lewisxbone, Sep 20, 2019
    #68
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  9. Hugo Catarino

    Hugo Catarino Hardcore Simmer

    Improvement
    Hugo Catarino
    1.50.849
    PS4
    IMG_20190920_111524.jpg
     
    Hugo Catarino, Sep 20, 2019
    #69
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  10. Hugo Catarino

    Hugo Catarino Hardcore Simmer

    Improvement
    Hugo Catarino
    1.49.594
    IMG_20190920_115327.jpg

    Screw you Pawn Stars guy :D
     
    Hugo Catarino, Sep 20, 2019
    #70
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  11. F1415182235

    F1415182235 Hardcore Simmer

    F1415182235
    Improved - 1:46.631
    [​IMG]
    Had a lap delta point to a 46.4 or below but I made some minor errors.
    No changes from the last setup.
     
    F1415182235, Sep 20, 2019
    #71
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  12. Lewisxbone

    Lewisxbone Alien

    Improvement

    Lewisxbone
    1.46.517
    XB1

    [​IMG]


    Sent from my iPhone Xs Max using Tapatalk
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2019
    Lewisxbone, Sep 20, 2019
    #72
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  13. Lewisxbone

    Lewisxbone Alien

    Improvement

    Lewisxbone
    1.46.418
    XB1

    [​IMG]


    Sent from my iPhone Xs Max using Tapatalk
     
    Lewisxbone, Sep 20, 2019
    #73
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  14. Neilski

    Neilski Alien

    Oooooo! :D
     
    Neilski, Sep 20, 2019
    #74
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  15. F1415182235

    F1415182235 Hardcore Simmer

    F1415182235
    Improved - 1:46.166
    [​IMG]
    Almost got into the 45s
     
    F1415182235, Sep 20, 2019
    #75
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  16. Neilski

    Neilski Alien

    :eek: holy smoke
     
    Neilski, Sep 21, 2019
    #76
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  17. Laughing Gravy

    Laughing Gravy Hardcore Simmer

    Improvement
    Laughing Gravy
    1.49.371
    PS4[​IMG]

    Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
     
    Laughing Gravy, Sep 21, 2019
    #77
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  18. Lewisxbone

    Lewisxbone Alien

    Current standings:


    1. F1415182235 - 1.46.166 XB1
    2. Lewisxbone - 1.46.418 XB1
    3. Pretend racer - 1.46.429 PC
    4. Neilski - 1.46.964 PC
    5. Leif - 1.47.095 PC
    6. Moodyryder - 1.47.865 PS4
    7. Totall Wrytoff - 1.47.988 PS4
    8. Emmanuel Tubbiolo - 1.48.150 XB1
    9. ivann_11 - 1.48.199 PS4
    10. Biner - 1.48.476 PC
    11. StyleF1re - 1.49.033 PS4
    12. sIIssYdrIVer - 1.48.684 PC
    13. Laughing Gravy - 1.49.371 PS4
    14. Peggy11 - 1.49.494 PC
    15. Hugo Catarino - 1.49.594 PS4
    16. Bobby Situkangpoles - 1.50.025 PS4
    17. ChaosChris - 1.51.734 XB1


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    Lewisxbone, Sep 21, 2019
    #78
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  19. Bobby Situkangpoles

    Bobby Situkangpoles Simracer

    Improvement
    Bobby Situkangpoles
    1:49.814

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    Nice to see my duet partner, Mr. Catarino, in the 1:49 range as well!
     
    Bobby Situkangpoles, Sep 21, 2019
    #79
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  20. sissydriver

    sissydriver Alien

    Little mistake in the standing. 11 and 12 are wrong. ;)
     
    sissydriver, Sep 21, 2019
    #80
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