Who's at Fault? - Discussing Racecraft and Incidents

You know what they say, "you can't teach common sense!" Just goes to prove even iracing doesn't have the monopoly on unsafe rejoins and to think this was a top split CP server.

 

Props to the guy who put him back in exactly the same place he came from.

 

I am the Bentley (421), the driver in front had made a couple of mistakes. Actually rather than mistakes, he just wasn't very smooth.
I watched him go off track and decided to move closer to put him under more pressure, but (I think) he brake checked me (or he just broke very early).
However, I still think it was my fault, but what do you think?
Can you dive bomb on the outside?

 

I think he just braked early, this is a quite tricky brakezone because it is blind. I can tell from experience (no incident though)

The better choice of you would have been to take the inside line to the corner.
I don't think it is a good idea to drive to close behind a car you don't trust with the braking points. Better take the free line when approaching a corner.

 

It's also a difficult braking zone because the braking isn't straight compared to the track. Start braking straight in the middle of the track ends up on the white line on the outside.

Agree with Felge, if you show your nose to the inside he might out brake himself, if not you can just tuck in behind.

 

I'd say its on you, as the car ahead (and considering you had no overlap) he has the right to choose his own line and braking point (within reason, which this was) and you need to avoid hitting him. He did brake a bit early, but his brakes lights were on for almost a second before you hit your brakes, that's a longer reaction time than should be expected if you were paying due attention and driving as safely as possible, so fault would go to you imo.

 

The brake lights on the Porsche are extremely week compared to the Bentley. All most to a point that I want to ask a dev about that. Wouldn't surprise me if you didn't see them.
You should assume that when a car hits the grass like the Porsche did on the prior corner he may need a little extra brake distance till he clears the junk from his tires. I think that might be why be caught you off guard. He was maybe worried about overshooting. You should have been setting up on the left immediately when he jumped back on the line from his little off. Would have been a super easy pass.
Your fault but, But if I were in the Porsche I would have stayed left and forced you to go around the outside, giving me the best chance of keeping the position while giving you racing room. So It probably would not have been a crash.

 

But surely only if it went correctly it may have been a super easy pass, but if it didn’t (like if he had turned in early) it would have a dive bomb.

BTW, I actually gained SA on this lap.

 

Great summary

 

Also the approach to that corner naturally pushes you over to the right, which could be another reason why he moved over, and more of a reason to go left.

 

that guy in the Aston was a total jerk, he wrecked the Benz and broke track rules to keep the Benz behind him and then got the dt.

 

Much better to show the actual driver cockpit view and not the go pro style, that doesn’t help us potentially see what the driver did.

I’d say Ferrari fault sort of because the Benz was pretty much clear and sometimes you gotta be smart enough to back out of a side by side and let them go.

On the other hand I don’t trust anyone to go side by side up eau rouge...

 

I'd blame the Merc, he turned in on him before the overtake was completed. And that in that section.

 

For me the overtake is complete, merc rear tyres are in front of Ferrari forward tyres. And the ferrari clearely miss the first turn and try to push the merc into the wall.

 

For me an overtake is never complete until they have completely cleared the other car, until then both cars need to continue to leave each other space on track. So in that video, from my side, the Mercedes turned into the Ferrari.

How much a car is overlapping (front wheels of attacking car alongside rear wheels of the defending car etc) only matters imo when beginning an overtake, as a metric for deciding if the leading car needs to leave the car behind space, or the car behind should back out, once the overtake has started, both cars should pick and stick to a 'lane' until there is no overlap.

Although, indeed, the Ferrari was way out of line on the run down the hill.

 

I think, the Ferrari is a single screen user and misjudged the Merc on the right and it's just very slight contact, nothing bad. You can see, he's turning away as he realizes the contact (at least from my interpretation).
Yes, he messed up La Source, but when the incident happened he was as far on the left as he can be and the Merc turns across. In my opinion, the Mercedes had to stay on the right side.

 

It's AC but the same kind of incident:

(SRY for the bad quality)

I was blamed only

 

Totally agree.
The Merc was in a better position to know what was happening around him and cut in not leaving any space for the Ferrari.
If the Ferrari was a single screen user this would have also effected his spatial awareness, but even so, he had nowhere to go but either on the grass or the on the brake. It’s up to the overtaking car to complete the overtake and not be dangerous and respect other racers.

 

Single screen user here for ages and I've to strongly disagree here. In my opinion the Ferrari driver knew exactly where the Mercedes was. The going tho the right side several times was intentional by the Ferrari.
He should accept he lost at this point.
If things like this are happend and no one step back the outcome is always the same.