AMS (Automobilista)

My frame-rate was in single digits when I tried AMS today.

 

Check the RD forum or the steam forum.

 

Strange. Everything maxed out and solid 60 (vsync).

Regarding FFB, rF2 is the king, AC not too far behind ,AMS a category behind.

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I get excellent FFB in both rF2 and AMS (GSC too) with plenty of detail, bump reaction, SAT and front grip-loss. I'd say the front grip-loss is the best part as it builds up gradually and ties in perfectly with audio cues, giving ample formation as to how hard the tires are being pushed. Reiza pays close attention to how audio and physics interact; timing, variability, intensity, duration all make sense - it's not just about FFB, sounds or physics; it's about how they all work together. Is it perfect? Nope, but they clearly understand the importance of the subtleties involved.

 

Like they say, opinions are like arseholes

 

Same goes with you.

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You misunderstood but you got the general gist so that s ok

 

To those who find AC FFB so much better, can you describe a precise moment while driving where you can say "here is where I find AC clearly superior" ?

Curiosity.

 

Just all the rest feeling crap, AC feels like I drive a weight.

 

I find rF2 FFB easily the best as it seems to be faster/direct, more accurate. Braking, understeer/oversteer feel and responsiveness is another level than both AC and AMS. Both especially lack feel when braking (dynamic near lock-vibrations/tire tearing effect).

 

I said a precise moment, not some random generic moment.

 

Feels very precise for me, deal with it.

 

And how are you sure that it's the FFB?

Edit: the braking thing, that is.

 

FFB is the end result, I am not exactly sure of the exact underlying reasons for it, however I suppose more advanced tire model translates to more details/dynamics, same as pCars (regardless of the accuracy/realism of the actual model). Simply applying filtering can "kill" these vibrations in rF2. On the other hand rF2 FFB often feels synthetic/digital when you run without filtering, so that's a compromise.

 

Ffb in rf2 seems very synthetic to me, I know I could get used to it, but that 's not what I'm loooking for.

 

Brakes are completely numb in AMS. I can't tell if I am locking tires, about to lock, or underbrake. Nor could I hear squealing under heavy braking.
AC just shines there on OSW, esp. if you have little slip effect enabled, combination of wheel shudder/shake and audio cues makes it super realistic and easier to modulate.
I also haven't noticed much suspension movement when cornering, in AC you can feel it "playing" through the wheel.
I'd be quite happy with AMS FFB if AC wasn't a reference point, it's quite good, actually, except some missing pieces.
For the record, iRacing ffb while also flat comparing to AC, has more going on with brakes and suspension than AMS, so it's somewhere in between two.

 

Some dampening filtering is required, however on a weak wheel that is not a very good option. Logitech mechanical gears just makes matters worse (grittiness/rattliness which is opposite of smooth "rubber" feel).

 

I respect your opinions but now I'm curious... On my low end cheap wheel i can feel all the things you are missing in rf2 and AMS, i get good feel from AC too. I would say AC is bit more enjoyable in terms of driving feeling (with exceptions) but on limit i dont get info im getting from AMS or rF2.. Those feel more natural and progressive in telling me what car is doing allowing me to push more.
So i don't understand how somebody with the same wheel can have such different experience, unless he has bad settings (I assume mine are fine as i get what i should)...this is not only about preferences or subjective perception..

Saying that rf2 or AMS are flat to me is like saying AC don't have weight transfer..

 

nvm, it's late...

 

Improved, connected, more real - all subjective.
However there are characteristics that can be easily observed and can be taken as a facts. For example lack of or presence of dynamic tire scrub effect ( apparent during understeer or near locking brakes) that is translated to FFB.