Downshift Protection inconsistent...

Spot on, Aris. I think people are getting too wound up in a thing that is there to protect engine damage and ultimately protect them from spinning out, which should be avoided anyway, like in a manual transmission. Just DON'T do it. Don't press the paddle if your foot is still on the gas.
I think people who come from other racing titles and/or have the habit from earlier versions of AC, when you could basically brake using your engine and nothing else, need to give up on their habit. I know, it's hard and all but it won't yield any time on track, so it's a habit worth giving up.

 

In real life, is there shift protection to prevent going down into neutral or reverse? I sometimes hit the downshift button too quick and shift into reverse when the car is still moving. I think there should be some mechanism that prevents going from forward gear into reverse. Right?

 

On most cars there is such protection (which personally I find a bit annoying as it prevents shifting into neutral while the car is still moving).

 

Anything that forces people to drive/behave in a more realistic manner is fine by me.

 

Why

Why would you want to shift into neutral when moving?

 

Depends on the car. In some cars you might having an impact and switch to neutral because then you can start to go again faster.
Other reasons include: pitstops (yes, there is no stalling in AC, still I'm used to it), J-turns (R-N-1)

Before that protection was there (can't remember when it was introduced, maybe around a year ago) I didn't really think like that was a problem that needed fixing.
Don't know what the big issue with counting gears is.

But ok, we are all different and if it helps others who can't count I'm fine with that.
I am a bit annoyed by it, but it's not really a game stopper.

 

This is precisely how I look at it. The DSP is teaching me a lesson. If I hear that BEEP! that means I am doing something wrong. Not the car. Not Assetto Corsa...ME. I think it is a fantastic addition (the new DSP warning).

I come to AC via a 2 year stint breaking my sim virginity with Gran Turismo 6. I would often watch videos of the "top drivers" and boy could they exploit having no DSP throwing cars into 2nd gear at obscene speeds and such to slow down. Reason #1037 why I'm so happy I gave up the GT scene and switched to AC.

 

Just quote myself... I was trying to make a suggestion when I posted that.
I mean in AC there currently doesn't seem to be shift protection preventing people from changing from forward gear to neutral or reverse. IIRC R3E implements this correctly. I think it is needed in AC.

 

Looks like Stefano managed to implement the additional log file entries discussed in here for the current patch. So maybe now is the right moment for someone to provide some more data to analyze and see if the system can be improved.

 

If you're talking paddles on a paddle shift car then that protection is already there, I know it's annoyed me when trying to get into into neutral when moving forward ever so slightly

 

Yesterday I was able to slightly damage the engine of Alfa Romeo 4C despite of DSP. This happens now and then with various cars with DSP.. don't know if it's intended or just my bad shifting being able to pass the DSP. But shouldn't it prevent this? Happened when was trying to brake late to pass AI, with fast as possible engine braking

 

Maybe the protection going into neutral or reverse is also not consistent then. I'm gonna test some more cars.

 

Must be because I'm quite sure I've experienced not being able to shift to reverse when the car is moving.

 

It's a bit different though. The downshift protection is mostly for street or track day cars.
The protection against shifting into neutral (and hence into reverse) also affects open wheelers and GT cars (don't know if all of them), which don't have a downshift protection (or I didn't notice).
Might still be the same or related code, we don't know that of course.

 

Lol, why should i not shift into neutral when i'm rolling to a stoplight e.g.?

 

Because there's no need too. In flappy paddle cars. The clutch will bite when it needs too.

And because if you're talking about a manual, its not optimal as you loose engine braking and your differential.

 

There are some unusual cases, the one it's most used (rarely though) is after going off track or after a crash. Because if you are in gear and already roll backwards then you can go to N and therefore not R. Sometimes it would help to get back on track faster or more important, get off track faster with cars approaching. In this case you would have to stop in paddle shifted cars, select N and then you can reverse.

 

So what about race cars with a sequential gear box?
(Actually at least F1 cars do have a stalling prevention system, but I'm not sure if it would jump in there.)

 

Sequential simply refers to the way the gears mesh together. F1 cars don't use sequential, they use seamless.

There's still a clutch between the flywheel and input shaft.

Most modern road and race cars thst use an automatic manual style setup will have an ecu specific to the gearbox. This can pull the clutch when sensors such as wheel speed, gear selection, engine speed hit pre described parameters.

A sequential gear set won't need a clutch when changing gear... You're right there. But they need one to pull away. Think motorbike.