Real GT3 consideration

Hi to all, I would like to have your opinion on this. I've seen a lot of real onboard videos on youtube and I've noticed that pilots never turn cleanly. They make continuous micro-corrections. For example, if they have to turn right, they turn right-left-right-left very quickly. In a nutshell they never stop with the steering wheel. Instead we turn the steering wheel in a very clean and progressive way (except for some counter-steering shots). If I look at the real GT times at Monza, these are between 1.47 and 1.51, like us on ACC. I'm not a pilot and I've never driven a 500 hp car. Actually I would expect not to be able to do lap times like a real driver, but I should run on 1.55 / 1.56. So, do you think it's not too easy to drive for us simracer? In fact we are all (more or less) able to run on real times. On the other hand, I would have expected that a few very good simracers could reach the real lap times. Warning! I want to clarify that it is not a criticism of ACC (which I love) but only a consideration. What do you think?

 

Those microcorrections happening in very fast laps in real life are missing from every single sim on the market. I'm not sure why.

 

i do that a lot while qualy and racing on ACC, even more since kunos took off LookWithwheel

 

The very fast guys still don't do it

 

mouse steering here and doin 1.47.800 on nonza, dunno how they drive but i need micro corrections in the steering to get a good line and a good exit from any apex

 

This is really a very interesting question and Devs POV would be very welcome.
Regarding laptimes I think the sim driver has a big advantage because there' is no risk to have physical consequences in case of mistakes.......... so it's easier to push ......

 

You have to see 1.47 in monza real and 1.47 by simracer and see the very very big difference in steering wheel.

 

You are right but what about drive techniques? They should be much more advanced.

 

Even though ACC has dynamic road surface and tyres model the real world surface grip varies every single cm and tyres have to deal with it too.This is one of the reason why in sim cars looks smooth even for fast times but that couldn't possibly happen IRL.

 

Because it is not real

To the rest
Until the SIM world can 100% accurately portray the real world this is as it is. Micro corrections as this is what the OP stated, is the correcting the reality of the car sway, dive, over, understeer. It is the absolute feel of the car twist, roll, sway, tires, brakes to steering feel. I do correct, I do feel the car "Mentally via FFB" and correct.

 

Also I happen to do micro-corrections (for example at T11 exit in monza) this is because the car tends to slip the rear and making R-L-R-L you avoid it turning in 360. But they do it continuously in an impressive way. I also thought they have zero TC. But if I can do 1.48 in Monza is "just my illusion".

 

If you drive aggressive you'll have to do it. Specialy if your TC is low/disabled (in my opinion). Sometimes I have that wheel "shake" sometimes I haven't. Same on F1 2018.

 

You can see very well what I mean here for example ...

 

Increase the gain of the Fb, the gain of the surface and lower the values of TC, and you will see how micro and macro corrections and movements you will have to perform to maintain the desired trajectory. Certainly depends on which steering wheel you use. With a G29, for example, I don't think we can have much.

Setting this driving mode very realistic and immersive is often harmful if you are looking for lap time. Moreover and above all you don't want to exhaust your energies during a very long competition. If we say that many are considered aliens only because they give themselves the great advantage of running from the hood, and I don't, many people only have the trick to minimize the disturbances deriving from the simulation.

 

Thanks very interesting.

 

I know a handful of aliens and none of them use hood view to be fast, so no, I wouldn't say that.
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My theory on the OP:
A real car on a real road driven anywhere near the limit has many more forces affecting the sterring rack/wheel than any consumer sim is able to reproduce. Things such as:
Air currents constantly buffeting the car from multiple directions and speeds
Tarmac with texture details 10x or greater than even the most detailed laser scan; with temperatures and humidity factors constantly changing in real time
Vibrations in the chassis, engine, transmission, suspension in multiple frequencies
Tires whose adhesion levels is still a very real 'black art' even to the professionals who have spent a lifetime studying and building them

Even though our consumer (and likely even professional) sims, and sim hardware, are closer than ever to replicating real life, we are still as far away from the real thing as a treadmill is to an actual marathon.

 

Alien I race with uses hood view.

 

Aliens will use whatever view they want. They're aliens because they spent years learning how to drive fast, not because of the camera they use.

 

That’s one hell of a race start!
Those micro corrections look to be mostly caused by the car bouncing on the track over bumps and rough spots, I would say if you had a good motion rig you would have the same. As most are using static setups you don’t have the bouncing and subsequent hand movement/corrections

 

The aliens I know have been fast all the years I've known them. They are crazy quick in whatever car/track combo of whatever game/sim we downloaded straight out the gate, and then proceed to shave the final tenths off with setup changes and repetition of laps. None of them spent years learning to be fast, it just came natural. They do spend days shaving that last half second away though.

On the other hand, I have spent years trying to become fast. I've managed to shave a few seconds off my average pace, but I'm still several seconds away from their first laps. Maddening it is.