Real GT3 consideration

Perhaps you're right, I don't know, but my point is: People keep trying to find simple reasons why fast drivers are fast, I've seen people on the forum talking about turning off the Force Feedback, using camera angles outside the cockpit and so on that just have nothing to do with their speed.

 

Turning FFB off, or very close to off, does work on the oval side at iracing, but yeah, excuses/reasons flow like a river when it comes to simracers justifying why somebody is faster than them.

 

Not to mention setups...

 

First of all thanks to all for your interesting opinion in this thread. Unfortunately is difficult for me to have a complex discussion in english. What i mean is that i saw real driver did a very hard work to do a lap time (ex. 1.49 in monza) expecially with steering wheel. But if you seating in front of pc (as you said wheel setting... camera view....) and you drove in real life only from home to the market, you can have a good lap time in one week. Of course if you want the best (personally i can't do 1.47 in monza) you have to drive for years. And is clear that someone has a real talent. But the question was: is this too easy for us? I want try to feel more surface as suggest to me in this thread.

 

If you want to feel more surface than buy a DD wheel and turn the gain way up.

 

One thing is for sure: less unnecessary steering wheel movement, better for the tires which consecutively means faster laptime, no doubt about it.
Very much depends on the car, its setup and the driver too (the most I would say). The "problem" IRL racing is that the weather and tarmac conditions and the tires on the car are constantly changing, which in sim are still far from there (developers are getting closer and closer, but in details, are still quite far off).
Btw, M. Schumacher was well known to be one of the smoothest driver in F1 ever.

 

I had a dream last night that I was trying to demonstrate to somebody on my sim rig how it is possible to drive in a sim using the micro corrections style. I blame this thread, thanks guys

Although I was unable to demonstrate it correctly in the dream, stupid brain lol

There have been times where I have ended up driving like that in various cars in AC but only when I have been really comfortable in the car and allowed the subconscious to take control, then after a while I look down and discover I am operating the wheel like some sort of maniac and start taking large chunks of time out of my PB.

Concentrating on trying to drive like that just doesn’t work, it has to be the result of reacting to the car in a lightning fast manner which for me only works when I am on autopilot/ some may refer to this as being in “the zone”.

 

An old F1 driver (Mario Andretti) said: "
if you have everything under control it means that you are not going fast enough"
EDIT: sometimes i feel like this... i drive too smoothly (smooth? smoothing?)

 

Who was saying anything of having everything under control?

 

You can easily driving fast because you are sit on the chair with totally no massive vibration and force like real car.

 

This exactly, I have been saying this for years now. Have seen so many people setting their wheels up light because “cars have power steering” then go through corners like T12 (Pouhon) at Spa holding the wheel with one finger while driving the F1 cars at Spa in AC, your arm weight at peak there is something like 25KG, lol.

A question though, if simulating the forces of steering in a GT3 car then, are we looking at 22.5NM peak on the wheel?

 

Personally, I don't consider myself an alien. I give you an example that concerns me, for my direct experience. Let's take the combination Huaracan @ Monza in optimal conditions. Driving from the inside of the cockpit I ride at my best, with a basic aggressive setup, at 1.47.4. Driving on the hood, I have to get used in a couple of days, I also realize 1.46.3. But I admit that others do not need this stratagem to reach the same times: they arrive there anyway even driving from the inside. I could also generalize that I personally take advantage of any game simulator running from the hood. So I just wanted to say that it's more than natural that such a thing to drive from the bonnet brings a huge advantage. My reply to those who opened this discussion was not to denigrate someone or because for some unconscious reason I do not accept the existence of more capable people. It would be better if we stop reading between the lines and limit ourselves to reading only the lines of what is written.

 

Hi @Aristotelis, I am happy with your intervention. As I said at the beginning mine was absolutely not meant to be a criticism. I love talking about these things with other simracers. I have been for years a great "devourer" of sim (already since 1999 with Netkar) but currently I only have ACC. I know that ACC is based on rigorous telemetric data but I myself have noticed that I made the best laps in the race when i'm under pressure , driving much more "dirty". For example using much more curbs, steering, and even micro-spin. The clean driving makes me less fast. And so I was wondering if our drive wasn't too clean compared to many real onboard videos.

 

How fast is the refresh rate in ACC as it is now?.

 

1 Update every 3 miliseconds is pretty fast, nice to hear that. Most probably the steering wheel and pedals can't even update position as fast as that.

 

I smell a new slider in the FFB-Options