Tyre grip feedback via FFB - make it more informative

I'm kinda glad it's not, if it was a slider people would get into what to set it to for the 'most real' feedback instead of just understanding that at any setting it's faked.

 

Having a slider for slip won't making me forget that it's a fake effect, so...


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i remember the ffb on beggining in AC... the feel on the wheel was amazing, today stills, but i miss those days

 

I know of a solution but, it's not without significant cost.

. . . it's called a Direct-drive wheel.

When we increase the dynamic range and strength of the steering-system to higher levels, it naturally improves our sense of grip-loss and its one of the reasons why some people want a steering system capable of 30Nm of torque. With greater FFB strength comes increased steering resistance; the resistance gets progressively stronger as we increase lateral load on the tires and we sense the point where grip-loss begins to occur and the tire noise works in concert to help us determine and pinpoint optimal grip levels. The end result being that driving conditions that may feel as though we are driving on ice when using one FFB-wheel can now feel incredibly sticky with the exact same physics / car / tires; it's just that the amplification of the forces becomes far more obvious and the increased dynamic range of a DD-wheel provide far more contrast by which to judge what the car / tires are doing.

What I describe can be very difficult, maybe impossible to understand coming from using an average consumer steering system until one spends some time using a DD-wheel. In short, the key point to grasp is not the fact that the system is much more powerful alone; it's that the increased dynamic working range still allows us to control the wheel just fine while it also provides more detail and a broader range of forces / effects in more accurate and timely ways. Our brains register these force levels and effects much more effectively during hard cornering, especially when combined with corresponding audio cues / visual cues and it occurs a bit faster than without.

The by-product of increased steering resistance can also be useful in making very quick steering corrections through Self-Aligning-Torque. While few non-DD wheel users believe it, lap-times can be somewhat improved as a result of using DD-wheels but, not by as much as a good pedal set can. What DD-wheels definitely improve most is our ability to make corrections and that in turn, allow us to push a bit harder, make more saves, and be more consistent overall. The real performance benefit can be seen through improved race results more than in individual lap-times. Such wheels can also provide far more immersion - if that matters.

Such systems do not automatically transform a player into an "alien" Sim-racer but, they may get some of us just a lil' bit closer.

 

LOL at spending thousands of dollars (or even 'only' hundreds) on a wheel in the hopes it will make you faster.

 

Leave it to you to focus on only one single aspect - LOL

Simplicity has it's advantages.

 

There are plenty of reason to spend money on nice sim gear, but becoming an alien (or even getting closer to them) isn't one of them.

 

Sometimes "Aliens" have trouble recognizing themselves or lack self awareness.

 

Lol at missing the point entirely.

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An update on my personal situation, after reading all the replies:

• I have increased my FFB strength, because it makes the car feel like it has more weight, which somehow feels less slippery.
• I have raised the percentage slip before the tyres squeal pretty high, to 170%, because hearing the tyres squeal any earlier makes my brain think the car is sliding more than it is.
• I have enabled the enhanced understeer effect. I don't care if it's "right" or "wrong". I do like how it feels "different", when you lose traction - at least it's more information for my brain.

Now to get used to it...

 

It sounds like you are making the changes that work for you; nothing wrong with that at all. Of course, others may disagree . . . as always.

 

I calculated the correlations between front/rear tire grip (or slippage) and FFB. Yes, there are some correlations, the rear slip correlated with FFB as well but much smaller though. But it doesn't mean one can actually feel rear slip through FFB though. To actually physical feel the rear tires' slip, one has to have motion rig with rear traction loss, I posted a video to demonstrate that (see description in the video):

 

I feel which axle slips more totally fine with my G27.
If front, FFB getting weaker.
If rear, FFB will pull to opposite lock.

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Very much my impression, too.

 

Interestingly, 99% of the aliens drive the most expensive hardware there is available. Go figure.

But, of course, hardware won't be a replacement for skill, if that was your point.

 

Source?

 

Just take a look around, brother.

Anyway, to prevent one of those stupid jerk arguments with you (which it undoubtfully will descend to), i will rephrase my statement to: "Most of the aliens drive the most expensive hardware there is available.". Even though i'd even expect an idiot to not ask for the source of your numbers when i say something like "99% of people on this earth are fools.".

 

You should go to the RSR webpage while it is still available and take a look at what the podium guys are using in the most popular combos.

 

99% use wheels, I've never seen any of them use "the most expensive hardware". Probably 50% G25/7/9s, 30% thrustmaster, 20% fanatec, <1% dd. I may be wrong about wheel percent though, in popular combos like GT2 @ Monza there are some x360 aliens in the top 10.

 

You stated a gut feeling as a straight fact, my dear fellow racer. That's a major problem in internet debates and I'm glad there's an "idiot" asking for the source of such a statement.

But I'd like Michael to play by its own rules, which he doesn't always do ;-)