Do Super-Cars Really Understeer This Much?

Is it just me or does anyone else feel that the cars in AC understeer far too much? It is particularly apparent in the 458, but most of them bar the Formual Abarth seem to understeer more than what I would have expected from my previous sim experience and real road driving experience.

I've never driven a car in real life that is near to some of the performance machines in AC, but it just doesn't feel right. I looked up some motoring reviews of the 458 and they say that it is nimble, direct and darts when and where you want it even if you are throwing it into corners. The AC experience just doesn't seem to reflect this at all.

It is the same with a lot of the "tin-tops" though. It just seems that there is no front grip.

I do love driving the Formula Abarth and it is what I spend my time doing in AC (a shame it will be the only open-wheeler in the full release that is currently raced), and already AC is my top sim, I just wish I could warm to the sluggish feeling of many of the other cars.

 

Check your speedometer. Remember this is a road car not a race car. You will (hopefully) see a big difference when the 458 GT2 is released, which has spine breaking suspension.

 

I concur, try taking the great prancing one around a track like Monza and you will have to use those big carbon horse stoppers once in a while. I think the problem is the thing is so fast off the get go, you just don't realise how fast you are going. To have a real eye opener race the Lotus 49 around some, then jump back in the Ferrari and you will feel a totally different experience and appreciate how fast you really are going. Good luck and most of all keep going for it.

P.S. If you want that full race spec car then go for the BMW M3 GT2, that thing will rip through most corners without a care in the world. Two braking spots in the whole of Monza, and don't forget to accost Curva Grande (1st corner) flatout in 6th, You can take liberties with the Curve di Lesmo too 4-5th gear backend a flapping. Great fun.

 

I feel it (F458) understeers way too much too, no matter the entry speed. It's not about going too fast into corners but the steering is really slow to react. Reports are like you said, that the 458 is nimble and steering is direct, and so far AC does not give me this impression.

 

Maybe is due to me driving it on a wrong way, but I have the same feeling and I just quit driving it after some min's.

 

I did think the same (that the cars understeer a lot), however I have come around a fair bit. I do perhaps think there is a touch too much understeer on occasion, but I don't know, im not a physics expert.

 

What part of the corner are you experiencing understeer?
Entry,mid or exit..

 

I don't think so. I've tried braking earlier, making sure I am off both gas and brake on turn in and it still understeers like a pig

 

Personally it's mostly entry AND mid. It's not even JUST the understeer, it's the directness of the steering, it's just not there. This car should react very well to steering inputs but it doesn't. it's sluggish 90% of the time. You can slide a little under braking to get turn-in and power-oversteer mid-corner to get it to turn more but you shouldn't have to.

 

Same thing im feeling. The corner that springs to mind is the left hander after hanger stright on the silverstone circut. That corner is off camber so it dose exagerate oversteer a little. You can brake way deep in that corner and i find that the weight over the front seems to help with turn in but i have to come off the brake real smooth or its crossed up for corner exit.

Personaly i find the car fairly well balanced but good direction change seems to come from a decent amount of trail braking on corner entry.

I think there is a real art to getting this car round that perfect lap hehe.

 

Silverstone really does accentuate the problem for sure. I just tried to run a few laps there and can't believe how much I struggle with even the slowest corners..Let's hope improvements are made...or that our skills improve LOL

 

The problem with this is that one persons settings (wheel and PC) can change everything in relation to feel. For example the BMW GT2 feels like is has massive oversteer until you drive it with a little more care and tenderness. I found the Ferrari has a little understeer but when you boot it the backend steps out and off you go. Also what tyres are these understeer moments on slicks or road tyres? I'm not poo pooing here, just saying that there is more to how a car feels than the sim it's self. For example I have seen some have 100% damper on in Logitech profiler, some have push to centre (never understood that one myself). So for me I have no problems with the cars, well except trying to get the Lotus 49 around a track lol.

So what I would say is maybe change your usual/default settings, I have had to make a new profile just for AC in both my nVidia control panel and Logitech profiler. Again I am not trying to annoy anyone just say what I have experienced.

 

Try giving it more rear wing, it sticks to the road so much I can feel my neck muscles working against the G-force!
But you are correct regarding wheel setup. Since you guided me through that the other night on TS my experience has improved so much....thank you again for that

 

On the semi-slicks. The GT2 reacts as I'd expect. I can really push that car and control it very well, because it reacts to my inputs. Yes you have to be careful as it can oversteer, but try driving it at monza with 2 rear wing.....you need pretty good car control to not oversteer it. That I can do. The Ferrari just doesn't. Yes it steps out when you boot it, but like we said, reports of real tests of this car report it is VERY nimble, agile, and has very direct steering. Again this is not what is happening in AC with this car.

Btw I spent the first week on this sim tweaking FFB and graphics Also yes, you need damper on 100% in profiler, if you want dampening in-game to have any effect. You could have it lower I suppose. Centering spring, never been something I've used every in any sim, but the lack of center forces in this sim means you may need it if like me, you prefer a slightly stiff wheel around center. In fact Luca (staff) recommends it @ 12%....for a reason

 

NO! LOL, I have taken the wing to 1 and it is superb bud, that thing is a beast. Thanks BBG.

 

it doesn't go to 1. It's 2 or 0 lol.

 

Pesonaly the 458 is my favorite car. And i think its short comings are actually my ability to remember how to get it round the track. The car is generaly easy to drive but where it starts to become harder are is when you are pushing for that few extra tenths right on the limit of grip. I guess with no sence of self preservation you are going to experience handling charictaristics not normaly seen in real life lol.

 

yes but these characteristics exist whether pushing or not, of course they are worse if pushing but even when driving gently it understeers like a 2tonne pig

 

1 ?? I have rear wing on either 6 or 8!!!

With my setups at Silverstone, at the end of Hanger straight the Ferrari reaches about 152mph. The BMW M3 GT2 (with lots of rear wing ) reaches slightly less than that, around 148mph. Now the BMW not only has much stiffer suspension and soft slick tyres, it also has A LOT of down force to keep it on the track. So realistically you will have to slow down quite a bit in the Ferrari approaching Stowe corner to avoid the gravel as it has nowhere near the amount of mechanical or aero grip as the BMW. Should be a good contest when the 458 GT2 comes out
When I first played the game, I drove around like Miss Daisy getting used to the feel of the cars. It wasn't until ppl started posting their fast lap times that I really pushed trying to match their time. Since then I can barely keep the car (458) on the track

 

This is a full race spec Ferrari and as such will have more bite into corners, but look at the speed he is going through corners and it is a little bit slower than what I am getting in the super car we have in AC. Where he is reading speed in KPH, I am using MPH, and the speeds are similar, so I am going faster. Lots of tyre squeal and the car slides a fair bit but outside of that I am pushing the little darling some.