Do Super-Cars Really Understeer This Much?

The pic in this post says it all...
http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/i...nge-throttle-response.1548/page-16#post-35226

 

Hmm... Could be that I open throttle too much now too early since it's more linear.

 

Hm, the airbag is blocking most of the view, but looks like he is trying to regain grip all the way downwards

 

Anything mid-engined seems understeery, bmw's are fine though.

 

Humm, from the opinions i've read so far, i'm wondering if some opinions around here aren't coming from guys used to play Gran Turismo or Forza arcadish games. One problem in AC is the lack of speed sensation, that's a fact, but the behaviour of road cars it's just like Kunos made it, cars are mostly understeery, it doesn't matter if it's a Ferrari or a VW, otherwise you'll have lots of deaths on our street roads everyday...

 

Configure your FOV, adjust seat camera- That's the way to sense of speed...

 

Back then when the Audi TT was released several of its drivers died in the car, because it naturally oversteered. It was a big scandal in Germany, because the owners could often times not cope with this and produced horrible and deadly crashes.

I have never driven a Supercar, but I highly doubt that these cars are not understeery. It is a safety measure.

 

I have to point out to this discussion that I wasn't concerned about the actual understeer that's quite normal. The sudden increase in understeer was what puzzled me but the throttle map change was probably the cause and not adjusting to it properly.

Since I didn't have any previous data to look at from previous laps (and no actual feel of the car) got me wondering what was going on. Even if I had telemetry from the previous runs I probably wouldn't use it that much. Although it's quite interesting at times.

 

In F458 case, I feel strangely disconnected to the car. It is just not possible to "steer it with throttle". I cannot induce lift-off oversteer no matter what I try (TC, ABS off). Terrible off throttle mid corner understeer especially in long turns seems to be ever-present in F458 case. The sense of dullness of the car took me to the point where I'm not driving the car any more. It feels like 20 tons bus more than a supercar. If IRL car had this characteristics, I reckon 70 % owners would be dead by 1st month. McLaren and Zonda (ATM the most comparable in-game cars to the Italia) feel just fine, not to mention lovely and characteristics of M3 GT2.

Remember: "Oversteer is when the passenger is scared. Understeer is when the driver is."

 

Lol, you don't know what you're talking about, that's clear, you make ridiculous statements and comparisons...

 

Whereas you had offered plenty of logical arguments...

 

I won't even lose my time with you, merry Christmas...

 

I think what he was trying to say was you can't compare the Zonda or M3 GT2 with the 458. Very different cars.

 

I haven't compared it to GT2 (ofc the race car is something completely different), just to McL and Zonda which are in current AC release closest to F458 (what else would you like to compare it to, hm?).

I don't know what the guy's problem is otherwise and I don't get his attitude. I was lucky enough to try 3 laps with the F430 Stradale on semi-slicks at Most circuit IRL so I have at least some comparison unlike Mr. Nobody shouting around on the forum. The car felt so much different, you could control it so well just with the throttle. In game 458 doesn't do anything upon lift-off and it pushes you out mid-corner like crazy. It feels disconnected and sluggish as if the steering is made of cheese. Other cars are just fine, even stock M3 feels much more alive than F458 which is supposed to be the supercar.

 

I can't say I've had the same issue as you regarding the 458. It does feel very much 'alive' to me and it's one of the most enjoyable cars to drive IMO. I really didn't like the MP4 when it was first released (understeer etc) but I soon got the hang of it and love that too!
The mistake I made (possibly the same as you?) was jumping from one car to another and using the same racing lines and braking points and completely failing on every corner. I takes me a few laps to 'tune in' to every car's quirks whether or not I've driven them before.

 

The mistake I made (possibly the same as you?) was jumping from one car to another and using the same racing lines and braking points and completely failing on every corner.

is 90% of peoples problems on here.

 

I have to agree on some points made by pablos16. The understeer in 458 is quite heavy compared to the stock M3 imho. Gut feeling is that something in the differential is on "Snow setup" since the car doesn't seem to want to rotate at all with full throttle, unless you provoke it heavily and then things get messy fast. This is just guessing though, could be tire model, could be suspension, or something else.

ofc it's lack of driver skill even if there was something wrong. Fast drivers are fast even if the car isn't that good.

 

Trust me I took my time with 458 (and I'm used to do plenty of laps in training because of my 6 yrs sim-racing league experience in rF1). I've also tried some setup changes but it couldn't change the overall sluggish feeling of the car.

With McL on the other hand, I have no issues at all. The car (when you get use to it) handles great, you can feel the weight shifts, it responds well and swift both to steering and throttle inputs. For me it's night and day between McL and Ferrari. 458 is really the only car in AC I'm not happy with ATM.