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MAXIMUM_FRAME_LATENCY does it still work

Discussion in 'Chit Chat Room' started by Andrew_WOT, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. Andrew_WOT

    Andrew_WOT Alien

    Thanks, great results.
    Also confirms that 0 (default) is 3.
    But man, your latency seems to be super bad, even at 1.
     
  2. liakjim

    liakjim Alien

    Remember it's recorded in slow motion.

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  3. Andrew_WOT

    Andrew_WOT Alien

    Yeah, could be just optical illusion.
     
  4. liakjim

    liakjim Alien

    Not trying to hide. I know I have some lag.
    It is lower than video though.

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  5. rycil

    rycil Simracer

    It would be great to have the same test without vsync ;)
     
  6. So it was not my placebo? ;) anyway for me from 1.8 difference is less noticeable than before. Liakjim try also playing with vsync off and if you are really hardcore enthusiast with different state of Windows Hpet mode
     
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  7. kofotsjanne

    kofotsjanne Alien

    Agree with the others, good job @liakjim! Would also appreciate without v-sync. :)
     
  8. LeDude83

    LeDude83 Alien

    Thank you Jim! I'm not a huge input-lag elitist but I had the very strong impression that going from 0 to 1 significantly decreased lag with VSYNC. I call it confirmed now.
    So much for the comparison.

    But as for the absolute values: doesn't 27 frames delay mean 0.432 seconds at 60 FPS (~16 ms*27 frames)?!? Because that would be undriveable. In your vid it's a bit hard to tell due to the slow motion but it looks like virtual wheel is attached to real one with a rubber band.
     
  9. liakjim

    liakjim Alien

    Actually it's recorded at 100fps . I will try to also record a vsync off video.
     
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  10. Snoopy

    Snoopy Alien

    He's counting the 100fps video footage frames, not the 60fps game output.
    Also, why is Michael always such a pain in the ***?
     
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  11. vegaguy 5555

    vegaguy 5555 Alien

    Thank you for that demonstration.

    I can't remember who now, but they were going on about latency and lag being potatoes.

    Potatoes indeed!!

    All these little improvements, do add up.

    I drove enough wore out real cars and hwy tractors to know what latency in the wheel feels like.
     
  12. liakjim

    liakjim Alien

    Ok, here is the video , with vsync off added.



    To summarize :



    Results
    MAXIMUM_FRAME_LATENCY=0 (38frames)
    MAXIMUM_FRAME_LATENCY=1 ( 27 frames)
    MAXIMUM_FRAME_LATENCY=2 ( 34 frames)
    vync 0ff , fps uncapped (~103fps) : ( 21 frames)

    So it seems that MAXIMUM_FRAME_LATENCY=1, it's not really bad since ~6frames are added over vsync on = 60msecs. It's not that bad.
     
  13. kofotsjanne

    kofotsjanne Alien

    So v-sync and 1 gives pretty much the same results as v-sync off. Thats really nice!
     
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  14. vegaguy 5555

    vegaguy 5555 Alien

    Michael is, but he was right about prime. And he was there for me when I thought I was in the hoosegow.

    As for the footage count. The second one looked faster to me.
     
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  15. LeDude83

    LeDude83 Alien

    Thx for clarifying. So it's 270 ms for VSYNC and MAXIMUM_FRAME_LATENCY = 1.

    I would conclude that these 60 ms over uncapped FPS (if you can get 100 FPS) can be accepted for smoothness' sake.

    Still I'm impressed it's so much. A fifth to a quarter of a second is a lot.
     
  16. vegaguy 5555

    vegaguy 5555 Alien

    The only difference I notice with v-sync is half my fps are gone.

    Each system much react differently?
     
  17. vegaguy 5555

    vegaguy 5555 Alien

    Has anyone else noticed how quick the AC staff answers when the word "Dev" comes up? It kind of makes me feel like I'm at home and my mother always knew when I was being bad.

    If you guys haven't noticed, I'm new to computers and software and at the butt of some of Michaels jokes.

    Are all software development teams this efficient?
     
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  18. Great :) I think tomorrow will check with wife's iphone... anyway crucial question here is what latency was set to last test with vsync off

    Vegaguy 5555 - It's first time in my life when I see so good comunication beetwen devs/gamers - thx Kunos :)
     
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  19. liakjim

    liakjim Alien

    1

    Yep, it's a lot. My TV monitor seems to be awful in this area. Funny thing is that i have it already in "game" mode...:rolleyes:

    I need a 1ms @144hz monitor ASAP...
     
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  20. Input lag is not exactly connected with refresh. I'm using 60hz old Dell which input lag is about 10ms, and my TV - Toshiba has input lag 9ms as remember (120hz, but only 60zh because Hdmi limitation). Best is to check online before buy. From my side hate TN and 6bit panels - so need to wait for good 144hz IPS 21/9
     
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