Minorating.com (drivers thread)

I cant see the server especially a regarded popular one having any negative impact on rating. Maybe the racing isnt as close there so your not getting much in the attact range. If its mostly a follow the leader type thing with people stretching larger gaps to others there wont be much attack range.

 

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I rather thought about a positive impact on rating.

But it's hard to tell without proper statistics.

 

as Marty said, most likely down to attack and combat range. i have higher cp than both of you but we enjoy quite a bit of close racing on aloog1

 

Ok, good to know.

So another question would be : what are the limits of each grade ( in other words : at which point someone will go from A/B to C?)

 

http://www.minorating.com/Grades

iirc, it's a bit outdated (I think @Minolin said something like that recently), but it'll give you an idea.

 

Oh how awesome is that new stats thingy. And I'm not saying it because I'm B at speedwise and A at MR.
Thanks Minolin.

 

Ok, you mean this


It's pretty clear now, thanks.

 

Instead of restricted grades I have "error" next to sessions from these two servers. Is it just a bug or something is wrong with them? Other values (driven, %, CP) seem to be OK, I don't actually know if they are OK, but at least there are numbers instead of "error" so they work.

 

Yes I have some errors too

 

I think this is amazing. Thank you so much for releasing these stats I seriously like statistics!

I know there have already been a flood of requests and questions because of this so I'll keep it short.
Possible to see the overall regarded percentages of normal, combat and attack, as on the speedwise pie chart?
And maybe sort the sessions by clicking column titles? However seeing the regarded sessions is the main thing to help understand what is going on, nice one Mino!

 

Its possible these server could be wrongly setup, not sure if they are using MR 2.0 but you should be able to check in server list. I remember Minolin saying MR2.0 is checking to see if description and actual filtering is correct. It could also be the plugin isnt working on those servers or for some reason the MR database is rejecting the data due to its trust token thingy.

 

Amazing Minolin, that tool is very precious in understanding what the hell is going on Almost all of the servers on my list have 'error' in the restriction column like the other have said, not sure whats that saying.

Thanks for your hard work.

 

Well , the errors are in this server :



which is using 1.4.3

So I have to inform the admin to install plugin 2.0?

 

Thank you!!!

 

Thanks for sharing.

20m attack range is an interesting concept and it fits well for A-B drivers which have a clear idea of braking points and racing lines.

However it's not a strong argument about mixing different grades and it could partially be a reason why the rating system is actually splitting the driver classes rather than protecting good drivers in a poor drivers' environment.

A good driver can't and shouldn't drive within 20 meters of a rookie that has no idea about braking points or even worse a wrecker.
That's no good way to make a safe pass.

On the contrary clever drivers need to be overly cautious and give them more room than they would do to an A-B driver (which is in full control of his car) until it is safe enough to pass.

In case of contact, an A-B driver shouldn't get more contact points for being cautious and staying farther away before attempting a safe pass on a rookie or a wrecker.

I think the number of safe contact-less passes at the end of a race is a better indicator of the skill and fairness of a driver when mixing grades.

If we want to "save" the concept of attack range when mixing grades, the only thing I can think of, is making the attack range 10m longer per each positive difference step in grades between attacking and defending.

If A-B attacks A-B the attack range could be 20m.
If A-B attacks C the attack range could be 30m.
If A-B attacks D the attack range could be 40m.
If A-B attacks W the attack range could be 50m which is probably very smart as wreckers should be handled with caution.

Similar could be done for C on C, C on D and so on.

In any case I think the attack range is a risky concept and that it can be abused.
One driver could drive the full length of a race within 20m of another driver and then push out the opponent at the last turn.
And wreckers could find a way to exploit this to improve their grade (while they wouldn't be able to do the same with the count of overtakes at the end of the race which requires finishing the race and cleanly passing others).

I think counting contactless passes over "polished-normalized" end race results (i.e. cleaned of people that didn't drive to the end, disconnected or respawned) as suggested in my previous post is better because in the end it doesn't really matter how close you drive to others but how cleanly you can pass them.

In my opinion a good deal of clean overtakes is the only meaningful proof that can reduce the seriousness of making an accidental contact to other cars and who knows, it might also encourage faster C fallen drivers to join ABCN servers and cleanly storm through the field to restore their grade (maybe teaching something to the others).

And for the fast drivers that like to start in front and run solo, it won't be that hard to get a clean solitary race to restore their rank (cause that's also a sign of intelligence and skill and shouldn't get penalized just because they are not driving within 20m of somebody else).

 

Oh snap indeed, time flies. I remember at the beginning I was just watching from the outside how it will proceed and then jumped in and never left.

I like stats, but I also agree with your approach regarding "know it all". It would be like cheating if we knew exactly how MR works in all situations and how to "boost" your grade in the most efficient way, and would heavily affect how (some/most) people drive.

Exactly, but you seem to be missing the point. Which is that a good driver shouldn't drive in "poor drivers environment" as you called it, he should drive with like-minded people. But because most of the huge 12000 AB drivers group also miss that point, it's hard to be in the "good drivers environment". I'll stop here as I'd have to rant about the same thing for 95836th time.

Lets imagine that:
1. I'm racing with you and we have an epic battle from start to finish, we never closed up on anyone else and nobody closed up on us either. You are in front all the time, we have lots of 2 wide action through multiple corners but I never actually pass you. We finish in the same positions as we started, so because of the fact that there was no pass it means it doesn't matter? All that great door to door driving with absolutely zero contacts for nothing?
2. Same story but I pass you near the end of the race. I think it's unfair if I'm being rewarded for clean pass, and the driving itself "doesn't matter". So we were both doing our best throughout the whole race distance but only I'm getting something out of it.