A discussion about simulation accuracy

esox71 · Sep 27, 2018

Dean Ogurek said: ↑

Actually, if you read "Ultimate Speed Secrets", the author talks in detail about how he and other race-car drivers rely on multiple types of feedback from all senses except taste and including, feedback through the wheel, seat, pedals and more. In fact he states, "the more feedback, the better". So this fallacy about steering-FFB being an over-rated crutch needs to be binned, and comparison to our daily drivers can barely be applicable compared to race-cars. With extremely few exceptions, we Sim-racers are at a great disadvantage in the virtual race-car in regard to the lack of feedback we have available. Add to that the increased speeds and forces at work in RL racing, only multiplies the feedback even more - far, far beyond what we can ever hope to replicate in simulation.

Again, different players want different things from Sim-racing and the only way to accommodate all of them is to allow more detail for those that want it for immersive reasons, and let the rest scale them down to meet their preferences. Why is that so hard to understand (?) Sim-racing is imitating reality, well - trying to anyway but, any race-car driver will tell you, simulation has a long, long way to go to even have hope of coming close to reality.

Why should we move backwards in terms of the feedback we have developed in simulation to this point? If it's about forcing everyone in competition to use the same feedback, then set some server-side forced limitations for online events to even the playing field. If the goal is absolute realism, there's only one solution and it won't be found in simulation.
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You do know you're reinforcing what I said yeah?

esox71 · Sep 27, 2018

mantasisg said: ↑

You talk about moving backwards in terms of feedback, and then you ask, why should we move backwards. I doubt that your perception about how car is felt is correct, this being said I have to read that book, and see what is written there.

I really don't think that simracers are in any disadvantage... if there is any disadvantages in simulation then it is completely different attitude and focus levels, when you don't care about destroying multiple sets of tires, few cars, ruining the race track and spending sometime in the hospital while you try to do that one mega lap. On that matter simracing is quite inaccurate. Though Minolin created nice rating system which does quite a bit of compensation to that. On the end if you are in good shape and focused then I don't see how there is a lack of information to drive the car on the very limit, unless you have issues with your particular hardware, setup, wheel... In AC I have to admit, you could do flat out race right after spending 8 hours in demanding job, then spending another hour traveling to home 60km distance, and taking just 20-30minutes to rest. In ACC I feel like you only really can go very fast, if you are in good shape.
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WIT!?

Cote Dazur · Sep 27, 2018

Dean Ogurek said: ↑

simulation has a long, long way to go to even have hope of coming close to reality.
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Exactly and while being 10,000 miles away from the goal post, we are making progress one step at the time, so one step or 2, even in the right direction, is not going to make a huge difference. More important, at this stage of the simulation accuracy, is to feel immerse.
Actual software, ACC, AC, etc... and what wheel and how it is set up have a role in getting us there, one screen, 3 screens, VR also important, seat motions, still in it infancy but huge potential for immersion, sound off course, all pieces of a primitive and incomplete puzzle.
Concentrating on one little aspect of only one element, can only take us so far, and will not make a particular software takes us to the elusive "perfect simulation".
So, do I prefer a better tyre simulation or a worse one? It depends, if it is part of the rest of the package that feels the most satisfactory to me, yes, sure bring it in. Is it important we try to improve that tyre simulation, among the other thousand thing we need to improve? Absolutely, if we ever can hope to get closer to that goal post, ten thousand mile away, preferably within our life time.
Meanwhile, a majority of "SIM" driver still use a controller, so let's not take our self too seriously, enjoy the day and particularly enjoy our software, wheel, etc.... setup to the fullest. Their is along way to go, we might has well enjoy the travel, appreciate what we have and use it to enjoy the best simulation we can achieve.
The developers of games, or simulators if you prefer, when they get together, as we have seen in a picture recently must be laughing so hard when talking about threads like this one and wondering what most of us are smoking.

Dean Ogurek · Sep 27, 2018

esox71 said: ↑

You do know you're reinforcing what I said yeah?
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Uh, yeah . . . me thinks it's time for a little vacation from Sim-racing. I clearly take this stuff way too serious.

mkotechno · Sep 27, 2018

IMHO original AC (I own it on 2 platforms) is not accurate simulation at all, and I never understood the fanboyism about it.

That said, I love ACC so far (even with the current broken FFB)

norbs · Sep 28, 2018

WallyM said: ↑

As usual, you have understood the complete opposite of what I said.

Have fun.
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It is just easier to block people Wally.

paulieGTR · Sep 28, 2018

nm...

baboon · Sep 28, 2018

AC is not accurate, ACC is not accurate. ACC is presumably more accurate than AC

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