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Everyone AI is beating on the fence on the last corner? On the Nordschleife. Ruin replays.

 

Yes, I try to avoid being over critical but this needs saying.

I have a bizarre replay of 23 mixed road car AI on track at the Nord's 24hr layout. A couple of the cars were Alfa Guliettas mixed with other much faster road GTs. The GTs quickly caught the slower cars but were then unable to pass them, it created a couple of snakes of 5-6 cars each. The faster cars were driving very close continually shoving the slower ones, never attempting to overtake just pushing. In the end both Guliettas were wrecked and warped to the pits.

It was truly terrible to watch. I haven't tried different car/track combinations as real life is getting in the way of my gaming currently so YMMV.

 

I can get over ai not passing on the ring, but even on wide open race tracks a laferrari won't pass a fiat 500 unless something was quietly fixed in one of the hotfixes

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The La Ferrari was the worst offender in my experience. You can overtake an Alfa Gulietta on the Nordschleife if you're driving a La Ferrari... Anyway they wouldn't overtake on the GP circuit either, the only time they had a go was on the massive Nordschleife back straight.

 

Overtaking is mentioned already a few times. It's a big problem indeed, very annoying if you like to simulate a trackday

 

This I have asked myself also, but after exiting the game yesterday I thought that huge step can not only be dependend on the chosen cars, but maybe I'm totally wrong with this.

I think I tried before the Alfa 155 Ti, 190 Evo, E30 DTM, Lotus 240R S3, Lotus V6 Cup. This wasn't a good AI experience, as I wrote I was first after half of the first lap (100% AI)
I tried also Alfa 155 Ti, 190 Evo, E30 DTM, Lotus Evora GTC, Lotus Evora GX, wasn't good neither.

Maybe it really makes a difference if you add road cars or not?

If someone would like to try out my Combo here are my Settings I've used, would be very interested to know if you also can get a very good race like I did:

Track: Nordschleife Endurance
Time: 12:30
Grip: 96% (dont know exactly what Setting it is atm, I think it is "green")
Ambient temp: 15°C
Cars: 24
AI difficulty: 100%
Starting Position: Last
Laps: 2

Cars (in that grid order):
- 6x 190 Evo 2
- 6x BMW E30 DTM
- 6x Alfa 155 TI V6
- 5x BMW M235i

I've chosen a 190 Evo for myself.

 

i agree it has improved

I feel like AC needs to simulate curbs still a bit better. For example, if a kurb is very steep (like on Misolek) and your car slides sideways with the back tires towards it, the car does not get stopped by it at all. Depending on the tire rubber/rim ratio the wheel would clash ...

 

I love the KTM as well I've been practicing my heel and toe downshifting with it the most because it just sounds brutal when downshifting 2-3 times

Do you use any graphic mods? Game looks crystal clear in your screenshot

 

i can't be asked to train heel and toe ^^ a shame really

no mods, it's clear weather 9;30 and no post processing, ps reduced size and sharpened.

 

I can't be bothered to learn heel & toe either. I just have no interest in fancy race driving techniques.

 

How do you downshift the F40 at Valle.Club?

 

Carefully

Seriously though, downshifting without using heel & toe is perfectly possible in these cars.....so long as you make sure not to downshift too early.

 

It is a well-known fact that multiclass AI races are nothing near perfect and probably never will be. So why do people mix road cars with GT cars?? This isn't even realistic.. Go make a GT3 only field and the AI will kick your a**

 

It's the easiest way of showing the problem that affects all ai, even if they are same class. Even the career and special events show the issue. Supercar race special event is the easiest example

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It's slow tho, and on road cars clutchless rev-matching isn't practical enough to be worth it either. Plus it makes you look that much more badass to heel and toe, and it's fun (and it's legal on the street, hence making those awful daily commutes just a bit more bearable)

 

A mix of road cars should work though... Surely???

 

Sure, if they are in the same class. But you can't mix an Abarth 500 with some M3s and some LaFerrari. Well, you can of course but you shouldn't complain if the AI can't handle it.

 

This is weird. Why you can't simulate a trackday with different cars? Why can't we complain if the AI can't handle it?

The AI must handle it. if you put a abarth in front of a laf, the laf won't overtake the abarth which isn't right.

 

precisely, this isnt early access anymore, the issue is heavily obvious in the official special events and career, and its clearly a global AI problem anyway, the examples of fast vs slow car are just the easiest way to show the issue.... gt3 cars or any same class AI grid wont pass eachother anyway most of the time (unless something changed in the hotfixes)

and a fast car should be able to pass a slow car more easily than passing one of the same kind, so not sure where you have pulled that logic from, the ai doesnt have pre configured lines/strategies for driving against certain cars, all thats in the ai.ini is:

Code:

[HEADER]
VERSION=3

[GEARS]
UP=6220
DOWN=4200
SLIP_THRESHOLD=0.98
GAS_CUTOFF_TIME=0.190

[PEDALS]
GASGAIN=1.0
BRAKE_HINT=0.9
TRAIL_HINT=0.39

[LOOKAHEAD]
BASE=23.6

GAS_BRAKE_LOOKAHEAD=3

[STEER]
STEER_GAIN=2.08

[ULTRA_GRIP]
VALUE=1.12

[PHYSICS_HINTS]
AERO_HINT=0.61

 

I can't tell you why this is so hard to simulate, I am not a programer. But looking at other sims I see that not only Kunos is struggling with this issue. Sure that doesn't make anything better but if you know the fact that it is not working properly atm why not just accept this situation and enjoy things that go well? What is wrong with a trackday of cars within the same class? Or do you need a faster car for being able to overtake?