How is Assetto Corsa going to beat pCARS2

Man, you can never beat 3 guys project on low budget because their fuel is their passion about simulation and cars.

Kunos, Marco and Aris are like the top gear trio.


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@Stains I have no clue how to run a business, but I can see the difference of how some businesses are run.

In this case I can see that Kunos released a product that was far from perfect, and kept improving it for FREE, they went way beyond fixing bugs, they included features that were not intended to be part of the original product.

In the other corner I see SMS that released a product with tons of features at the release, and along with them tons of bugs. And instead of fixing all those bugs they announce the sequel.

As I already mentioned I have no clue about running businesses, I just suspect that the way SMS are doing it is bringing more money, which is good for them. But for me, a customer I prefer the Kunos approach.

And I really don't think Stefano fixed the AI just because people were complaining about it. I'm following Stefano from the very beginning, and I don't think he was ever satisfied by how the AI worked, probably he's still thinking about how to improve it even further. What he achieved is huge, he must have had some sleepless nights before he got everything together.

As for pCars2, the only thing that will hold me back from buying it is the arrogant attitude of some SMS people. I'm not a sim purist, I can enjoy simcade or even arcade titles, but if something is sold to me as the ultimate sim haven I'm expecting it to live up to that. Some people might say that I will miss out by not buying it, but I'm not worried about that, there are already too many good sims/games around.

 

^^This.
Thank you for expressing what I feel.
That's the reason why I feel so connected to AC. Kunos have been working on this game for several years providing us with updates, fixes, cars and tracks for free. (I am not talking about DLC which have always been very cheap IMO so far.)
I also prefer Kunos' approach. I find it very forthcoming of the whole AC team that they communicate with us and explain things when they are asked to. Just have a look at all those comments from the staff about tire model updates, the KERS management or the new inertia. I have seen this only one time before. The game was called "Handball Challenge". It was a very small team from Germany called Neutron Games. The way they let the community take part in the developing process was incredible. Unfortunately, the game never came far.

 

same as alistair - you wrote whats in my head

100% d'accord - thank you coming straight to the point.

 

I dont think they have any huge plans for AC1, they will probably add small:ish features but nothing major. I really hope they will announce AC2 soon so we can get some huge steps forward (yep, im talking about racing at night in the rain).

 

Well, they need first to have more people developping AC, because they will be soon out matched by bigger developpement team, yeah they are very good, but you can't let 1 poor man doing the job of 10, well you can, but then don't expect huge step forward before years

 

Every month for the last year has had more players than AMS, R3E, and rF2 have had in the last month, yet all three of those have leagues and club races currently active on RD. So your whole premise of PCars1 having no online events at RD due to lack of numbers is demonstrably flawed, because three games with FAR fewer players have a strong online presence there.

Where did I say PCars1 was the bees knees, or even say anything positive/negative about it? I played it for about 2 months after release and haven't touched it since, it hasn't even been installed on my PC for well over a year. I was simply pointing out a flaw in your argument, not defending the game.

 

Apologies, may be going off topic but I was searching about saving mid race and stumbled on this. I believe rfactor2 has mid race saving. Does anybody now if this is a feature in PCars2? (or even coming in AC !). Would help my homelifegaming/play balance a lot

 

RaceDeparment was just one example. And we're talking about AC and PCars. Again...I direct you here for activity stats: http://steamcharts.com/cmp/244210,234630 since you seem to be confused.

 

One reason that pcars have less players might be because the fanboys are in wmd/pcars2 while the ac fanboys is in.... ac

 

LOL... Honestly... It doesn't even matter. And I'm kicking myself for even falling into the discussion. IMO, PCars1 is a stale sim. I used to like it, but after switching to PC and playing other sims, I just realize how much lacked in terms of feel and the things that get me excited about racing. That's how I feel. Others love it, but it wouldn't matter if PCars had 10 times more activity. I wouldn't play it anymore than I do now, which is hardly ever, and even then for only a race or two at time. I'm very much looking forward to PCars 2 and hoping SMS is able to better able to capture whatever AC, R3E, and AMS have done to enhance the racing experience. These titles might not have as good of graphics and might not be as feature rich in terms of dynamic transitions, and yet I still find the in-game experience they offer more appealing and satisfying than when I play PCars. That's all I go by.

SMS and Kunos have take two different approaches to development. Kunos' seems to be a labor of love. SMS seems to be building a franchise. What I'm most interested in seeing in PCars2 is which direction SMS moves the slider--further to hard-sim, or more toward sim-cade. Time will tell. But, what's also telling is, I don't have to ask that question about Kunos. It's very clear which side of the fence they planted their flag on.

 

Not at all confused, I never commented on how PCars player stats compares to AC or any of your other points so that chart is irrelevant. You said PCars doesn't have any league races at RD due to low player numbers, but of the non-iRacing sims it has the second highest number of players by a huge margin. There's plenty of reasons PCars isn't featured in RD club/league races but according to the Steam charts low player numbers obviously isn't one of them.

Good chat but that's probably enough off-topic from both of us. See ya.

 

Should I say which one is which ?

 

That comment was part of a larger discussion. You cherry picked. And why is it any wonder that PCars is second. PCars and AC are the newer of the sims. R3E, rF2, and AMS are all older developments, with lagging graphics. They are updating, and R3E is probably the closest. But you keep pointing out things that still don't change the fact that AC shows more activity than PCars. And that was the point of discussion.

 

That's exactly what it is. Golden.

 

Even when I watch the pcars and other studios videos/interviews they speak very well becuase they're most from UK or US based and when you watch an interview of Marco, Aris or watch @Lord Kunos ' streams (though we miss them) it's so funny because it's not their mother tongue so it's even more enjoyable, so yeah, you can't beat that either
The fact that as already was mentioned, still working on the AI because it's what it challenges them (or Kunos) the most and now 3 years later, founding a solution for solid axle/live axle whatever it's called it means a lot for most people.

 

It shows how hard it is to get things right...

 

Is there really a need for 2 threads regarding pcars 2?

 

YEP !

 

Apparently there is a need for multiple pCars2 threads, as this one alone somehow reached 120 posts.
BRB, starting a third pCars2 thread