Generic Some Anticipated it: Has Project Cars 2 killed AC on console?

Polish work? I didn't know the Polish were known for making sim games.

 

But damn they're good in black/death metal

 

Iv been playing quickly with the settings again and on console, turning the gain down from 100 creates some weird deadzone feeling on the wheel. Plus there seems to be a clunky juddery side to side pull sometimes that's really off putting.
The main issue is the FFB isn't smooth I think, it's jerky and that's what I'm trying to dial out.

Defaults just seem to be too much or not enough so I turned Tone and FX completely off and am running just gain and volume now.

Feels pretty nice actually and a lot smoother. I have volume mapped to the wheel to adjust up and down. I need more testing but it feels better so far.

Another thing is the car setups are mostly dog s***. There's a great Reddit thread on changing the diff settings that really helps but most cars seem to really understeer for me so far. Plus I don't have any real idea what anything does if I start messing with bits.

I'm having that this game can be patched to be amazing. It took AC a while to get there so I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt.

Edit- forgot to add that consoles should always keep gain at 100. I'm going to try running the other flavours with just gain and volume later and see what comes out.

 

That's possibly because SMS decided to give the cars pad-friendly default setups. In SMS universe this means understeery.
That move is a cheap escape from having to revise the pad input processing. Pad drivers are "invited" to drive with totally unrealistic setups. Wheel users suffer from it, likewise, especially if they're not too good with setups.

 

100% gain on T500 is too much, maybe it’s for different for other wheels?

 

Maybe, I'm on a T150 on PS4. Not sure about any other wheels as I've never used them.

 

Your gain setting will be entirely dependent upon your other settings. For example, if you turn Tone & FX all the way down (everything else at default) you'll need lots of gain to feel anything. The FFB in pCARS is so damned hard to tune, because all the forces are (sort of) additive. Increasing one can override the feeling of another, and sometimes, forces simply pile-up (FX is bad about this), so you get these unnatural feeling peaks.

I've been doing a lot of experimenting (T300 Ferrari Alcantara + Porsche 911 GT3 RS at Azure Coast Sector 1) with my gain at 75, everything at defaults, and then running Volume, Tone, and FX at either extreme (0 or 100), to see what kind of effect each has. What I've discovered is that these adjustments aren't discrete. There is interaction between the settings, which makes tuning that much more complicated. For example, adjusting Volume will have an impact on Tone. Adjusting FX will introduce forces that "add on" to whatever Volume and Tone you have set.

To make matters worse, some of the descriptions don't match my experience. For example, if you leave everything at default and adjust Tone to 0, you'll get almost no feedback at all. I ran into similar problems with Tone set to 100 in the Lamborghini Sesto Elemento. The car + FFB + circuit all add up to slightly different FFB. You can get a "playable" game by keeping your settings sensible (near the middle), but you can absolutely break the game with these seemingly simple sliders. Somehow SMS have managed to "simplify" the FFB settings, while still creating an easy to break FFB system. Amazing.

 

Update 2.0 of Project C.A.R.S 2 is live now with an weight of 7Gb....lets see how it improves...

 

PS4 ??

 

Yes

 

Oh wow, didn't expect this until end of Oct!

Hopefully it's gonna be good.

 

oh yes.. that is cool.. PC version and ps4 alligned and patch after only 2 weeks!!

 

That's how to do a patch

 

It's interesting how many times Kunos was bashed up for delayed patches on Xbox, often taking all the blame for something that apparently wasn't their fault entirely.

Now we see the same thing happening with Project Cars 2: A patch is out for PC and PS4, with no schedule in sight for Xbox.

http://gametechlab.com/project-cars-2-update-2-0-released-first-for-ps4-and-pc-xbox-one-later/

Yeah, sure Kunos was the one to blame for those delays on Xbox... or would it maybe be the case that SMS is also a small team that needs to boost their staff?

 

It's pretty good so far although I can't tell much difference lol. The menus are much better and there is 2 set up options now.

Only issue is it defaults to loose and it will only stay on stable if you save it, which creates a new set up save slot for some reason!!

Also, is anyone else really struggling to keep up with the AI? I have them down on ten or fifteen or so and after the first few corners they're gone! Maybe I just suck...

 

This is a bit of a rabbit hole, but IMO it's a matter of shared responsibility. In the case of the latest AC patch, Kunos' patch was rejected because it was deficient. I'm sure they didn't intend for it to be rejected, but it was all the same. Where does responsibility for this mistake fall? What's a reasonable customer response to the failure? These are questions with a wide range of answers, depending on perspective. The answers to these questions are also different when you're talking about a difference in patch release timeline between platforms, versus a patch submission failure.

One thing is clear beyond any level of scrutiny though: Microsoft's XB patch review process is sub-standard in the industry. That is just a plain and simple fact, and they should work to improve it if they expect to remain competitive.

 

Well. once again you are not right.. if the patch for XBOX is released in 2 months then SMS is comparable to KUNOS .. According to forum it is going to be released this week. Microsoft to blame for this?? I think it is in their own interest to get the patches released asap for their customers.

 

They had better improve their process when Xbox One X comes out. Supposedly the future of consoles with a medieval review process just won't cut it.

 

Kunos only fixes bugs and adds bugs with updates which include dlc. All the other game developers fix things with patch’s that are just to fix things, on a much more regular time scale.
I agree with MS needs to have a look at its certification process, ps and steam do get the patches out a lot quicker to there customers. But without being on the inside, we don’t actually know why MS takes longer, these patches might be failing because the developers haven’t got them right in the first place.
P cars 2 we haven’t had a single patch yet, and my god we need one, that game is so broken on Xbox relating once again to save issues. It seems kunos and sms don’t seem able to master the cloud save on Xbox.
Forza 7 released 1 week after p cars had its first patch yesterday to fix a few things. Forza 7 doesn’t seem to be suffering save issues, which shows it does work.

 

If pars 2 isn’t patched to fix loss of career by the weekend, I’ll be applying for a refund of MS for my digital version. 2 of my mates have already had a refund.
I pointed out on there forum that the game is so full of bugs on Xbox that it shouldn’t of been released, and Ian Belll said that this time the game will be tested and tested and tested again. I asked what happened there then ? Then went on to say if they decided to count the cash then fix. Result life time ban on there forum lol nice way to treat paying customers.