Who's at Fault? - Discussing Racecraft and Incidents

Agree, but what is the most important, position or lap time

Agreed.

Don't agree, the Bentley turned left into the Ferrari, looks like there was enough room on the outside for the Bentley, I think both could have made the corner, if the Bentley left more room for the Ferrari.
The Bentley moved left closing the gap, to have a better entry into the corner.

My opinion.

 

It's been a lot since I drived for the last time Misano, I didn't remember that corner. If you're right, then Ferrari 100%

 

The "way to take the turn",... would be very limited when there is a car beside you.

 

Except I turned in before there was a car there

 

1st and for most, do not take my comments personally, that's why we use car manufactures

Agreed, you, sorry, the Bentley, started to turn in before the Ferrari was beside you, but then as the Ferrari got up beside you, continued to turn left until you traded paint with said Ferrari.

I've had to make an abrupt change in trajectory a number of times, just to avoid hitting a car that some how got up beside me entering a corner, AI even does it.

Now could the Ferrari have been able to brake and leave room for you on the outside, now that's a whole other issue, and I guess we will never know.

In my opinion.

 

I don't think the Ferrari was able to stay at the inside. Even without the Bentley. The Ferrari overshoot the apex a lot.

 

Ya, but there was contact before the apex, which makes it unknown from that point on.

The Ferrari actually early apexed, but was now going sideways because of the Collison.

 

Even if Ferrari overshoot the apex Bentley IMO should look at mirror when he started to brake and probably he would see fast oncoming Ferrari, then not steer to left, just stay on front wheels. Ferrari would overshoot corner and Bent could continue driving. Just take late apex. Again watch this movie and situation from 2:59. Lex is Bentley, Ferrari is... Ferrari . I hit my brakes (in Lex) and saw he is attacking and that's I didn't turn left, just wait when he overtake me. Of course in situation from my movie Ferrari stayed before Lexus (I lost position, but stay in race), but in situation with Bentley and Ferrari I'm sure Ferrari would overshoot corner, and Bentley probably would stay on his position.

 

Before the braking, all the responsability is on the Ferrari, he chose to dive. After that he is just a passenger and the Bentley had the opportunity to avoid it by take a wide line, he litteraly turned into him.

The problem with that is that if forces you to defend even when there is no opportunity because otherwise the guy behind will always try something silly and then you have to work out how to avoid it (and they'll think they're Verstappen by doing risky moves and going away with it).

What should happens in the best world ever
1) Ferrari dives
2) Bentley goes wide, everyone is ok
3) Ferrari must give position back for dangerous driving or something else

Here the Bentley has to do the "least bad" decision, and the best solution is to avoid collision, it's sh*t and you loose a place but you avoid contact.

 

#Cirith - no more to add.

 

Whose fault?

 

Not the Ferrari, the other car made contact 1st, when the Ferrari was well up un the curb.

You really can't steer very well with a car rubbing up against you.

 

Aston didn't give enough room, maybe because he messed up the chicane entry and jumped over the curb. Rest is a chain reaction, would not blame the Ferrari.

 

GTR2 - imo 50/50, Aston jumped on first kerb (he definetily wanted leave space for Ferrari, but jump closed him to Ferrari), next Ferrari jumped on second kerb (he didnt want to as well imo) and it was too close. It made contact between them. Race incident imo.

 

The Aston didn't leave enough room for the Ferrari,which still was alongside, when going into right turn.
Ferrari was forced over the sausage curb and lost control.
If someone is to blame then I would go for the Aston, but I'd prefer to call this a racing incident.

 

Actually looking at it again, it looks to me that the Aston contacted the Ferrari, BEFORE the Ferrari hit the curb, so %100 on the Aston.

As I stated, you can't drive very well with a car rubbing up against you.

 

watching at different speed I agree with what mystek said the Aston hit the first chicane curb which may have unsettled the car and bounced to far over into the Ferrari. it looks like the Aston tried to give space as did the Ferrari. Just a racing incident....but can we talk about the Green Ferrari in the back ground completely missing his brake point and side swiping that other car

 

Yep, you are correct, I didn't start looking closely, early enough, Aston hits the curb, Aston hits Ferrari.

It still boils down to the fact that the Aston hit the Ferrari, for what ever reason, is irrelevant.

 

Is no one seeing the murder happening at the back of the helicopter shot ? That green McLaren is crazy

 

Thanks everyone, I was the Ferrari so pretty happy with that then, thankfully I lost very little time, and yes I only say the death from the Rinaldi Ferrari in the replay afterwards!