Would you enjoy a new Indy Sim?

I would love to get a new sim which focuses only on ONE motorsport series. To be honest, it is great to have such a wide variety in modern sims but the result is that the variety itself is too much and what you get is lack in rules, tracks, skins, cars, real drivers and teams names to have one full series out of the pandemonium that the car and track list is. You get a one car full grid on some of the track on which they race or raced. Also physics must come to some compromises to handle very different cars, from daily cabs to exotic cars built in one model only.

I miss the good old days where you got just one series, but at it's fullest in all meanings

 

definitely not, and even less so if it's based on gmotor 2.5

 

I get that you don`t like gMotor (not much to like here) ... you have issues with pMotor too? not a huge fan of it (probably why I`m counting more on Reizas next iterations of physics part of isiMotor2)

 

The latest Indycars are ugly as hell but would be nice to drive them. I growed up with Indycar Racing II by Papyrus, so this Indycar aera abd the past Champ Car time was really great! Cried big tears as greg Moore died...

But i don´t like the Gmotor engine idea...I modded Gmotor engine almost my whole sim racing life (starting with SCGT, then F1 2000, F1 Challenge, RF1 and RF2 in the beginning) and i feel i was the biggest fanboy of these games, but it´s outdated now...graphical for sure and NASA physics does not make it better! Personal opinion, so no discussion about it.

I think, the most interesting part of the Indycars are not the cars itself, it the tracks they race on!
As an AC fanboy i am a bit tired of racing on european racetracks.

My simracing unicorn is racing an Indycar at long beach (prefer the 1997 season cars and track layout)

 

I wouldn't, but not because it's just one series, but because I find Indycars to be very dreary. I would need to be something that interests me, like GTR2 or GTL did.

In that regard I really like what Raceroom is doing with their DTM and GT Masters Experiences, where you have different licenced series with cars and tracks and race rules in a bundled package. Imagine if you had a base game with cars and tracks not unlike AC, but also DLC packs like those experiences.

 

I'd love an Indiana Jones sim.

 

it's not that I don't like it, but it time has passed and it's time for something new

if Kunos also used gmotor, AC wouldn't look (and drive) how it does,

 

ok this is probably terminology issue ... if you say gMotor you are talking about graphic engine .. so that confuses me ... no problem I`ll just consider you talking about isiMotor or pMotor ..
Personaly I think in good hands pMotor is still far from being outdated but optimal way would be what Sector3 did. To replace gMotor with other graphic engine (to be more appealing for current player). In case of AMS people probably easily ignore it cause physics, ffb and overal feeling is so good (that is why I`m curious about Reiza20017 project ... customized pMotor by Reiza with Dx11 graphic engine could bring something wery interesting into play)

 

Not just graphics, physics too

Don't tell me engine made 10 years ago , with those huge hardware limitations could be on par with more modern ones

I mean things like flexing carcass of the tire, flat spots and what not ...

Only advantage is that it has been around for so long so that it's super polished

I played few of those recently - ft legends, gtr2, race07 and even AMS/GSC
And it felt like something is missing in there, it's was fun - especially GTR2 I liked a lot, but nope I don't believe that's the future

Rfactor2 sound like new improved version, but it's missing that polishing that games like GSC take advantage of

As far for new Reiza game, might be interesting , but if they don't bring much new to the table, not sure

It's hard to describe but newer sims feel like you drive rubber tires, it's flexing / dynamic
While these old sims feel bit "dead" in that sense
Car behaves "always the same" if you know what I mean, doesn't feel like you could have 2 slightly different behaviors in same corner

 

AMS has flatspotting, Aero and tyre flex, dirt pickup (and marble pickup on the way), dynamic road surface, pretty much everything other sims have and more .. so I understand if you don`t like how it feels or how physics are made by devs but richness of features and capability of engine to represent physics in scale needed for simulation is not an issue here (IMHO) .. and since Reiza now has licence to customize that engine (not just use what ISI provides them) who know how will next iteration of that engine be
And regards of that feeling you talk about .. that just might be FFB working for you better having not much to do with physics .. just like AMS or R3E FFB works better for me on my setup, I`m not gonna make conclusion that R3E has better physics than AC

 

Thanks for the insights to the different terminologies.
I would like to see a mix of rf2 physics engine and up to date graphics (unreal 4? ) combined in a single class sim. Not necessarily Indy, heck even TCR would do
A good, complete title. Like in the old days.

 

...what i have nerver liked in this GMotor engine games is, that smoke and dirt comes through the cockpit. I had to lought a bit as i saw videos of automobilista and this bug on dirt tracks...

 

but yep .. dirt is comming right through windshield

 

Nice idea with that smoke but it looks so old...

Remember SCGT? Nice reflections of wet track in 1999...graphics have not changed that much in the past 17 years with ISI games...

 

well they were not really pressured into sorting out their problems, the only real rival was iRacing which doesnt look that good anyways and raceroom which was ignored by so many people because of the payment model. Im sure they will start thinking about it as a result of the success of kunos at least i hope they do

 

Next reiza sim should be on dx11 engine which rules out current gmotor.. And eventhough AMS looks good enough not to brake immersion, only fool would not want improvement

 

Which is why im skipping out AMS until they show their next game with this new engine. Then again Reiza are on the borderline of being sued into oblivion so im a little worried about them.

 

I agree with everything Patrik says.

Pure Indy? That would be like a niche (racing) in a niche (sims) in a niche (indycars). And the playerbases are allready small, cause devided by the the sheer amount of current sims.

Not a fan of openwheelers, so I would rather like NASCARs, but I would like something new, no matter if its cars or tracks.

A bit of diversity is necessary, similiar like in Race07+addons or R3E and maybe the stuff I pick in AC mostly: Streetcars and nonscircuits-tracks.
Licensed series would be nice, too.

Im no graphicw**** if its about other genres, but racinggames highly profit from realistic graphics and sounds.
Also a really good AI, all the features people are asking for here constantly, combined with a good career.
And the AA(A)-polish Patrik mentions, so there are no peas under the matress.

Talking about graphics: Im ok with ISI-like graphics, if there are working startlights, 3d-spectators, detailed pits, flagwaving marshals, also display-infos and pitcom making the overlay-hud unnecessary. Also that the cars aren't teleported but moved to the (outside)side. So more of the stuff you have in a race, instead of the quality of it. Who needs 100.0000 polys on a car?

 

yes please, an official indycar game would be a welcome addition to my gaming library