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Exactly

 

Yea, but, you see, in the video you posted the wheel movement makes sense... the driver lets go of the wheel during a turn and it snaps back to place. In AC, I get the wheel rotating furiously past middle, then back again, and then rocks violently to one side and the other until it finally stabilizes. I do get the normal "snap back" feedback on other sims, and it does get strong when spinning, but it feels consistent to where the car is going. Only AC does the whole crazy jackhammer shtick.

You want another example of strange "feedback" in AC? Engage reverse gear, turn the wheel slightly to one side and step on the throttle. The game will do what seems like a full 180° reverse recovery maneuver on its own (pulling the wheel the rest of the way to one side, and then back again when the car's facing the opposite direction). I don't know if there's any realism in that, but it looks insane. And no, this is completely different from the 1st gear heavy throttle spin recovery that is common and realistic, because when you do that the wheel doesn't dance around madly.

It's like the steering wheel sometimes has a will of its own, and it's making its own choices rather than reacting to your input and interactions with the environment... which is basically my whole complaint about FF in AC. It's a disconnect which I don't feel when playing SCE or other sims. Again, this is something I've grown accustomed to, and I do like to race in AC, I just kinda accept that the car is going to do its own thing from time to time, and I'm powerless to avoid it.

 

yeah that's realistic, it's due to the caster, which is tuned to make cars stable driving forwards but makes them unstable backwards. Should see it in any other game with realistic suspension physics...

 

yes but can we tune it down little bit (a lot) ? .. it is unrealistically strong and unnatural .. and affecting steering precission. It is springy and jumpy .. in real car you can control it with gently touch of one finger (even in cars without power steering). Yes, every other sim has it but only AC and R3E feels this way where it is an issue ..

 

The problem is with FFB I'd guess.

The sims are demonstrating realistic behaviour physics wise and outputting the result but your FFB wheel isn't up to delivering it. Maybe one day.

 

The wheel reacts to what the tires are doing? I can see why you like GSCE/rFactor now, cause it's completely the opposite of real life

 

That's not exactly the issue...

 

I said it reacts to the environment (the tires, the terrain, the car's movement and momentum, the forces in the driveshaft and drivetrain). It *needs* to react to *something*! The wheel has no movement of itself, it's a passive component. It's a dumb old donut made of metal (or wood, or plastic, or whatever). If the driver isn't turning it, then it normally self centers, due to caster angle. If the suspension is doing something funny (eg in a spin), it could be forced to move in another direction, but the movement should still make some sense based on what is happening with the car, instead of being pushed by some "unseen force". Again, it could certainly be my inexperience, but in certain situations (mind you, not every time) the car seems to be (violently) trying to right itself. Maybe my wheel is haunted?

Except it will also do this on occasion when going forward... You start turning the wheel to a certain side and the wheel forces itself in that direction. It's the opposite of what the caster angle should be doing (self-centering). You know, all of this might make sense to an actual racer, but in AC, it feels very... artificial? Maybe because you can't feel the other forces involved in the movement, and the wheel is doing everything by itself?

I suppose that could be it. Maybe it's something I can tune in FFB settings (I'm running a T500RS). Anyway, I'm probably unable to explain my discomfort in any way other than that I feel a disconnect between my actions and the car's actions in AC's FFB, especially in certain situations (spins and spin recovery), in which I feel there are "unseen forces" moving the steering wheel for me. None of that is an issue during normal racing (when a spin isn't involved), but... I also find the feeling of the grip nearing its limit to be clearer in the RF platform (which means I can keep better control, and, consequently, drive faster without spinning).

 

/shrug

 

It's not clearer, because it's not overexagerated like here, but it comes more naturally, for sure.

 

This sounds like an issue I had with my G27 and the FFB was inverted, it felt more like "Self unaligning torque", this was not in AC but in iRacing. Is there an option in AC to invert FFB? Could be worth a try!

 

Yea, "natural" is probably the definition. FFB feels for "natural", or organic, in SCE (and rf1, I suppose), and more "artificial" in AC.

No, no, it's not inverted, it works fine most of the time. I've experienced inverted feedback in certain mods, this is just weird feedback behavior in very specific situations.

 

Nearly got me there but I realised what date it is.

 

That's not true at all, but okay....

 

Want examples ? but i hope you dont leave after ^^

 

I've been modding AC since you've been on the forum, I've gotten extensive technical data from two race teams (the car in question has received high praise by drivers and other members of the teams), and have created well over 50 cars for AC...I know how it works, and I know its shortfalls, but not responding correctly to most real life data is not one of them.

 

Ofcourse, because most of your mods are within kunos stiffness limits ... try to do some modern f1 with ULTRA stiff heave springs (400 N/mm +) and come back to me, i will show you a nice workaround

And i will say it honestly, tyre model is weak and is very limited ... and you used P4/5 tyres on your oreca, why havent you used your real life data then ?

The first workaround any modder in AC meets in BrakingTorque : you always have to reduce it because there is no thermal simulation that changesfriction coefficient and so on ...

 

That's funny because you said "for AC, you always have to use workarounds and substitute models", and you listed one time you have to utilize a workaround

 

Well you want to play with words, so ... you said "Not true at all" ... i gave one example so your assertion is obsolete already ....