Off-track 5 Second Penalty

Going back to the OP, in practice you don't get a 5 second penalty for going off track.

 

but the op is talking about the hotlap mode

 

It was in answer to this....

 

O sorry, I thought that you ment back to the OP

 

Ah, right. There we go.

 

I think when you play with both wheels out would have to anularte around. although let 5 seconds with speed is the same. I also think that this anger improving part, (for if you step on sand is not the same as land or pasture).

 

I really thought that the "Off-track 5 Second Penalty" was just a temporary thing because it does not relate to reality

When you leave the track you're automatically slower and if you drive straight through a chicane it's a clear case of invalid lap !

 

Best way when cutting (or what ever thats not legal):

- in practice: no penalties what so ever, as long as the laptimes aren`t recoreded (in case if they are, same as per hotlap mode)
- in hotlap mode: stop the clock (and reset it, like this lap does not count)
- in qually: same as per hotlap more
- in race: like in reality, 2 warnings, next cutting that follows is a drive through (or 10, or even 5 seconds stop&go - this one will be used in F1 in 2014)

As simple as that.

 

I can see how this would be nice for multi player, but does this really need to be active on practice mode?

Can't the lap time just get invalidated? Its really annoying trying to learn new car/track when it just cuts the gas out all of a sudden and turns your small mistake into a large spin...

 

I am not aware of any racing series using this in real life.
I think that if you put so much effort in creating the most realistic simulator,
the obvious way to go is to implement the rules (flags and penalties) as used in
real racing series.

This means (for a number of series) no penalty in practice, in qualification you
move to the end of the grid and in the race you will be awarded a drive-through
if leaving the track gaining an advantage. Or adopt any other set of rules from
one of the series that you guys seem suitable.

In most of the leagues where I participated, there was an unwritten rule that
you gotta keep 2 wheels on track. As a part in this, detecting leaving the track
with all 4 would be valuable (in a race report or something)

 

Don't forget though that you can't just give drive through penalties without giving the driver a chance to ease off and give back the time they gained.

Detecting that is slightly tricky, and that's the reason why realistic rules have not been implemented in any racing game yet. It's possible to do it, the only question is, is it worth building the necessary system for it. That's why I posted;
http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/suggestion-for-corner-cutting-detection.4587/

Personally, I would love to have that even in league races if it was implemented well enough to not be intrusive. I noticed in iRacing they have something sort of like this, it's just not very accurate. It requires you to slow down a lot more than necessary (a lot more than they slow down in real races), and the detection allows some corner cutting still.

-Anssi

 

Just read some posts on another forum that 5-second penalty should not be enforced in practice in current patch. As i have it active for quite a long time now, I thought it was a normal feature.
Reeding more on the issue only got me some conflicting answers, but from what i understand it shouldn't be in practice anymore in the current patch.

What's confusing me more is that I just recently i did steam cache integrity verification (was trying to resolve HDR issues) which should resolve problem like this, but the penalty still is in effect in practice mode.
Should i try reinstalling the whole game or is it a feature working as intended?

ps: Oh just to be sure as somebody suggested in other thread I tried uninstalling RSR timing app but it didn't change anything.

 

Theres been a lot of discussion regarding the cut track penalty, and some very very good points for and against.

I hope this will get some clarification to the devs and our community who voice their opinions what is really wanted. I do think this needs to be rectified as this does take realism away from the sim.

Personally i can see the throttle cut as being bad, in an ai race or mp, you can get the penaylty and an unnoticed driver from the rear will just back end you cause you will come to a sudden stop on the side of the track.. Also can ruin momentum on your next hot lap?!

I think the time added penalty will work, because if you make penalise by adding 30 secs, and you cheat in a race, you can possibly lose a position or 2 by the end of the race. Maybe in AI races you can set the penalty yourself.


PLease cast your vote/post respectably.....

 

Vote for Other Method here. Personally, I'd like to see the following, or something like it at least.

For sessions in which the objective is to set a lap time (qualifying, hot lapping, etc), just discount the lap. In addition, where tracks have a hehe-sneaky cut available in place which would allow more speed to be carried into a subsequent lap, add some sort barrier (Big Bit of Polystyrene or whatever) to close off that shortcut that's toggled according to session type. It might not be there in real life, but a simulated styrofoam steward seems like a handy bit of fakery in this case.

For race situations, it gets a bit trickier insofar as the system needs to distinguish between cutting the course to gain an advantage and merely taking an unplanned trip to see Mother Nature. Cuts need to be penalised with some sort of black flag system (give up X seconds and any places gained within Y seconds or you get a stop-go), whereas other off track excursions merely need to be noted - the time lost, possible damage incurred, and inherent embarrassment of bouncing along the grass should be enough. Yes, it's a bit more effort as zones would need to be defined in the track models, but it would at least remove the insult to injury effect of losing time, hurting the car, and then being penalised for it. In a multiplayer scenario, some means of alerting the server admins to vehicles leaving the track, such as a live text log of incidents combined with lil' flags on the replay timeline (add these for vehicle collisions as well for extra happiness), would assist admins in dealing with issues. Make the penalty system configurable / disableable in a multiplayer scenario, and offer server admins the ability to hand out penalties (stop-gos, drive throughs, parks, subtract laps, etc) manually and things would look really rather golden.

I also demand my own private island with it's own nuclear deterrent, but that's not really within the scope of the sim.

 

This is actually my biggest pet peev in AC (although minor) and it really breaks immersion as I often go to meet mother nature. In practice or hotlap, it should just invalidate the lap and in competition you should just be given a incident score and give up time gained similar to iRacing.

 

this is the only thing I'm annoyed about with AC. The 5 sec 50kmh penalty. It just puts me out of flow and it's unrealistic. I suggest to do it to either time penalty or lap invalid.

 

What i think it should be priority too is to fine tune the blue flag, disqualifying those who don't respect it, because in rFactor for example it has bugs and because of that some guys don't respect blue flags which is very annoying and ruins the fun of racing IMHO...

 

if you cut the corner your car should explode


nah just kidding

 

how is it going to be when racing against AI?