Talk about that AI

AI paths are just recorded. If they recorded bad, AI will handle bad

 

If the track surfaces aren't set up correctly (which is the case for most of the track conversions) the AI will never work correctly.

 

The AI thinks we're under yellow flag where you can't overtake. Since you're going so slow.

 

My point exactly - if a mod track is made correctly, with enough care and attention, there is no reason the AI can't perform as well as on a Kunos track.

It's not that it's a mod track - it's that it is a bad track (sorry )

 

It baffles me that people are defending the AI in this game, did some of you take some sort of sworn allegiance that you would defend it at all costs?

 

I'm not defending it, I know very well the AI wasn't designed to overtake cars from different classes. But do a same class race and the AI will overtake you in normal racing conditions.

 

Please try Interlagos, the AI is even too stupid to leave the pits. It's hilarious to watch actually.

Edit: Sorry, I just read your last comment. Yes, the AI is not THAT stupid on every mod-track, you're right.

 

Well actually if you slow down driving the same class or car model it still seems to struggle to overtake. I just did a race at 60mph on Zandrvoort starting first all cars audi S1 to test this, yes they will over take eventually but they act like timid old ladies. The AI needs a great deal of work lets just be honest i don't understand the debate around it.

 

Because it regards you as a hazard.

 

That was what I was trying to point across. Slow moving vehicles, cars stopped on track, AI doesn't really know is safe to overtake. So their precaution measure is to follow the car ahead by matching his speed until he resumes normal racing, and in such conditions the class doesn't matter.

 

Just in case I would be bashed for not racing with AI and just fanboy-ish defending AC, this is a typical case of AI overtaking me which happened just now, and overtake like this happens to me quite often. I do agree that sometimes that AI is way too timid, but I'll just wait for Stefano to figure a balance point between aggression and timidity.
I've been using CM's track day mode to practice, and AI overtakes me with little hesitation all the time if I'm not fast enough.

 

The AI might not be the best out there, but the improvements made to it have been enough to bring me back into AC having disregarded it as a hotlap simulator previously.

Raceroom and rf2 probably have it beaten in this area, but it's certainly good enough for short races.

However, please can we change the title of this thread mods? As a thread, there is a lot of good discussion in it, but every time I see the disrespect in the title it winds me up. I can't be the only one. Just "AI discussion" or something else would be more accurate. Thanks.

 

Does that also fix the lapping of slower class cars? Because on 'real' they lose tons of time there on a longer race and tend to damage their cars a lot.

 

I did a whole career driving the slower class always being overtaken by the faster class by AI, worked no problem. Was great experience, managing my lap times, trying to not lose any time when getting blue flagged when the top class was coming through.

 

So your theory is: "The AI isn't bad"

In science, this is called "verification". You're looking for things which back your theory and ignore all cases which contradict your theory (why no seperate video about AI-stupidity?).
Instead of that, try to actively look for things which contradict your theory ("the AI isn't that bad"), try to find flaws. If you can't find any contradictions and flaws -well then your theory must be indeed true.

At least I'm pretty disappointed with the AI on 100%.
1) They don't overtake each other and when they do, they often do it with too much aggression.
2.) They don't overtake slower cars in training or quali most of the time (tested on Salzburgring, "track day" with 24 different streetcars)
3.) They don't overtake me, especially not if I slow down on purpose.

To be honest: I had more fun driving against the AI in GTR2 and PnG than in AC. Just my opinion.

 

The video is in response to a previously posted video titled "Wish they know how to overtake properly" so take my video as a verification of his theory. Nobody in this thread has posted any video showing a proper overtake from AI when I was reading it, but all videos are showing timid AI behavior. I bring something different. Simple as that.

 

Yes, but after watching your video it seems like there is nothing wrong with the AI at all -which just isn't the case.
You cut a "best of AI"-video and sell it as the normal behavior of the AI. Kunos won't solve the problem, if we just keep on ignoring this big flaw of the game...

Edit: You even called your video "typical overtake of the AI" ;-)

 

It IS a typical overtake from AI for me because I have started to learn how to race with it. My video is to point out "testing AI's capability of overtake by deliberately driving extremely slowly or even stop on the road don't reveal the actual problem in AI", which is what many people are doing. I and many others who are not awfully mad about AC's AI in this post actually post in the physics issue report subforum often to report AI issues. I give them detailed car/track/scenario info to help them recreate the same problem and improve the AI. Simple rant and complaint of "they can't overtake" won't help them locate and solve the problem.

 

I think when we are judging this there is one very important aspect. We are not measuring it against perfection but against the competition as that is potentially what is achievable. So it's not really relevant whether people are aware of its imperfections. All games of this genre that have Ai have issues and are not perfect, the argument is that it is somewhat less realistic than other sims. Of course we are lucky to have any Ai at all and that the devs are working to improve it, but that doesn't detract from the fact that it's poor in its current state. I still love AC i play it a lot & still have faith that as a one player driving experience it has great potential especially now with custom championships.