This ruf is going to be an acquired taste

I am blind or what, on witch image you see normal gearbox?
So you say there is no lift off oversteer?

 

On this image


Lift off oversteer?
You still don`t understand.
It is car behavior because of 911 is object of worship or hatred to the death. Not something in between with forced behavior by setup.
It is nature of the car to break rear traction without enough load on rear wheels.
Heck, even Exige V6 cup is more Porsche than this Ruf.
Happy now with explanation?

 

Yes, I agree on that Exige part
but in that pic I see dog leg box
With the Ruf you only get deacent lift off oversteer when the rear tires overheat

 

My mistake. I thought that Ruf use 915 Porsche gearbox and in this article it says that Ruf build his own.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/1987-ruf-ctr-yellowbird-911-turbo-driven-video
915 have two types of pattern with and without dog leg.
Sorry.

 

R24
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aka dogleg

 

I actually like this car because you can slip it into turn here and there without loosing time. Rarely do you see a car like this in which you don't have to be clinicly smooth for speed.

 

I love this car. It's probably the first road car I really enjoy. Not particularly forgiving and the first laps were ... interesting, but once you get a bit used to it, it's fantastic - and like others have said: I can't drift at all, but I am doing it with this car. Maybe it's because you need much more throttle control anyway that it's easier or something (aside from the Porsche 'engine in the back' thing)

Bruxelles (? - the tight 180 degrees corner at the top of the hill after the S-es after the long straight) sideways all day long

 

Vallelunga loves this car so much...
I'm battling myself in the F40. It's been fun to go back and forth between the cars trying to beat my best time. I'm a 1/2 second faster in the Ferrari, for now.

 

Thats explain why i 7s slower than current WR .. i do the normal "slow the car and grip cornering stuffs" but looks like i have to actually drift the car ?? I nvr drift before ...

 

As already mentioned: Ruf made his own 5 speed manual gearbox.
Traibraking is my way to get things done

Anyway, I found the CTR even on streettyres not very 'alive' sideways like the way Stefan Roser threw the thing around @ NS.
Mentioned somewhere by Kristaps I think is , just use OLD TARMAC or DUSTY TARMAC. Tha'ts the HOLY GRAIL for me when it comes to sideways action on a STOCK setup car on streettyres

I just uploaded it from my iPhone so don't expect Spielberg quality(no sound sorry) but it's 'easily' controllable. I liked the Ruf yesterday. Now I love it ha!


Is there an easy way/tutorial to upload AC replay vids to YouTube? I'm kind of a n00b/beginner when it comes to uploading/editing videos (to YouTube and in general) ...



Cheers
Robin

 

Drifting is slow, I didn't do it on my lap (if you're on about the Nordschleife) bare a few powerslides here and there. If you can't dance with the car and manage the weight transfer you'll be slow though. Also, don't turn the wheel too much, people who complain about the lack of lift-off oversteer just create their own understeer by going into the corners too hard and by steering too much.

Lap was done without assists, damage on, H-Shifter + Heel & Toe.

 

Funny enough I've gotten down to a 2:01 at Imola in the RUF CTR. No nannies and no car adjustments. On one of the episodes of top gear, the stig did a 1:56 at Imola in a 458. I got into the 458 after the CTR and could only run a 2:0o. I'm sure with more practice I'll eventually get to 1:56, but I was surprised how fast the CTR is when you really get the threshold braking down in that car.

 

it's very alive when you overheat the tires, like Stefan did..

 

Also remember guys that the Yellowbird is on Semislicks by default

 

After one lap yes. They're redhot way too soon, so when using 'old tarmac' the car is much more eager to go sideways without even pushing the throttle so I think that will save tyres more or less for a few more laps...

Cheers
Robin

 

Stefan Roser was just showboating the CTR around the Nordschleife but I also saw a video a few years ago of probably the world's best driver for the last decade(including F1 kids) , Sebastien Loeb. Driving the 997GT3(I know that's not a CTR) his own way. Makes you think. At least it makes me think


Cheers
Robin

 

Seems that I`m only one who complains about lack of lift off oversteer and I find funny your "diagnose" why (don`t take this as an insult).
Maybe it is right for ppl who have issues with this car to do fast lap at all but that`s not me.
Remember, I`m not complaining about snap oversteer - perfect environment for old Porsche if you do what you described as problem.
I am complaining about lack of Porsche character and lift off oversteer is big part of it. I am complaining about too "new" Porsche feel.

Even funnier is that I`am only 10ish seconds slower on `90s street tyres just because I feel more Porsche character that I know how to use.
Different compound should not change character of car that much.

My lap is not as fast as yours but it is decent and still good enough for second place on RSR at the moment, labeled as pro.
My first lap was faster but seems that I was too greedy at Hohenrain - AC didn`t see that as cut but RSR did.
Had enough fuel for one more so I continued and did 7:50.
Also H shifter and heel & toe, damage thing ...

 

Actually yes, tyres are EVERYTHING in a car. Cars can exhibit completely different behaviors depending on even the brand of tyres, let alone the level of thread aggressiveness.

With the Yellowbird, each tyres have a good 10 seconds difference or so between them on the Nords. And the car has plenty of lift-off oversteer, but the default alignment is on the safe side which negates it a little bit. Add front camber and lower rear camber. No toe on the front and lower toe in on the rear.

 

This.

Cheers
Robin

 

I give up.
You can make a Teddy Bear out of old Porsche with different tyres and few cliks on suspensions.