Discuss rFactor2

Stop being silly.

 

As it seems, they are already here...

Great post @nate.

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Assetto Corsa is great, rFactor is great, haven't tried Automobilista but seems to be very good also, Dirt rally is not bad, Richard Burns Rally is great, Live For Speed is good. Each one has their opinion. People praising their favorite sims, and talking trash about rivals just shouldn't be taken seriously. They are like football hooligans lol

I think nate pretty much nailed it with his post. I haven't had much experience with ISI community, I have few nice conversations though, but it is not unbelievable that concentration of "hooligan ultra fans" is big there.

It is a bit sad that rF2 modding got to be a bit weak. In my opinion it was crazy for rF1, I don't know how much of those mods were conversions from GPL, but I found many of them to be enjoyable.

I found it exciting that new devs are planning to give rF1 tire model as an option. Idea of tool which could automatically convert rF1 mods to rF2 is just cosmic, however just converting won't do, quality has to be risen. I hope new team will really blow some life into modding and rF2 in general.

I'd like to mention few mods of rF1 which I liked the most:

NSX, Corvette, and Aasbo's Supra, 1979 F1 pack plus 1979 tracks pack which was strangely hard to find despite being so awesome, 1970 WSCC pack with Le Mans from VirtuaLM, Nordschleife which felt so complete because of different seasons + snow + wet track, historic tracks such as classic Sachsenring and fantasy Machwerk circuit and more....

 

I cranked the FFB Multiplier values up to around 1.4 as well when I tried it a few days ago, and while I can feel the suspension loading up and everything letting go when I overdrive - AC does that very nicely as well btw - I still have no idea what the back end of my car is doing. Especially in the Skippy I can almost only rely on visual clues when it begins to oversteer. I remember that it was way better on my wheel some 2 or 3 years ago, but then it lost a lot of strength with an rF2 update. IS the Eve 68 even updated to the new Contact Patch Model?

I had nice and helpful conversations there as well, but there were many zealots there, but we have those here as well I think. My guess is that the "not hardcore rF2 fans" just wandered off over time.

 

LOL, indeed.

 

Huh? Its dated 2014. RF2 came out in 2012 and the guy was still using rF1 last year (and no indication he isn't using it today).

 

I wouldn't go as far as you go, but i often wonder if the fact that some of us "grew up" on F1C and Rfactor (1) has something to do with those guys to whom the Rfactor series (and it's cousins) is everything that is pure, realistic and has simulation value in this world and everything else is simcade...

I mean when you grow up believing something to be the benchmark, it may be hard to be open minded about a different take on the subject...

To a smaller degree this happens to Kaemmer with Papyrus>Iracing.

 

He wrote that when it wasn't that far out of beta. I think he mentioned somewhere that he kept with rF1 - at that time - because it has been six years in development. Still - impressive results.

 

Maybe - I'm not a particular fanboy for any genre but quite a few RL teams still use rFactorX - just as more are beginning to use AC. My point was to point out the absurdity of the original repost to my post. Frankly - it was a ridiculous overreaction and unnecessarily defensive. Many sims have much to offer. I have never found the ISI forums that bad - as I have not done here. I really want to see and look forward to full endurance racing implementation with AC with 24 lighting and driver swaps etc to make the most of everything AC currently has to offer. I want the future to be bright (and dark at night)

 

@C3PO Don't hold your breath for that Endurance thing, you might suffocate

 

Us so-called "die-hards" can hope

 

This is definitely a positive change. ISI was not committed or enthusiastic about rF2. The people in charge look to be the opposite. If you don't have passion driving a niche product then its likely going to be disappointing.

People just need to get away from their sim monotheistic view points to realize that more diversity in our niche is a good thing. I'm excited to try rF2 after the first big update from Luminis.

 

On paper rF2 is the best sim by a distance, but when I play it.....

For every wonderful feature it offers there seems to be a problem attached to it, in my opinion:

Animated flagmen - but do they have to look so spooky?
The Howson is great fun - if you don't mind changing gear in super slow motion
RealRoad is an amazing feature - but it's like ice at the start of a session and gets too grippy when the track has rubbered in - in between it feels good
Full weather - but no rain on visor or windscreen
A simple menu system - because half the settings I need to adjust require a text editor
Great triple screen support - if you can find it (look for tyres, obviously )
A few really good historic tracks and cars - if you don't mind following a Renault Clio pace car
Your own car reflected in the car mirrors - but usually impossible to see who you're racing against because the FOV / angles are often weird
Lots of new oval content - but the AI doesn't race ovals very well yet
Simulates parc ferme and you have to find your way to the pitlane / track which was fun the first time - but why do I end up back there each time I tweak the setup? Put me in the pitlane.


I'd have been less critical if ISI had been systematically addressing some of these sort of issues but they seem to have been tinkering with the technical stuff under the hood that rarely improves the player experience much.

It seems to me they lost their motivation some time ago, they probably put their heart and soul into making this sim but maybe it didn't really sell as well as they hoped. Hopefully Luminis will do a good job and get things moving, they seem to have done good things with Reiza and Game Stock Car / Automoblister

DX11 is great news, my system runs DX9 titles so badly... rF2 says it's giving me great frame rates but the stuttering makes it completely unplayable. I hit the brakes for a corner, massive stutter, have to guess my entry speed and turn in point, get a couple of frames showing I'm still on track mid corner, then another massive stutter till corner exit.... totally unplayable.... and that's on a single screen with all the graphics set to minimum.

And I've spent hours going through the forums and tinkering with the settings on rF2 and my graphics card, but no improvement. Meanwhile I run AC, Dirt Rally, F1 2016 on triple screens and medium details super smooth, but according to some rF2 fanboys that's because I'm only interested in pretty graphics and I should have bought an nVidia graphics card Fact is, I've spent more time tinkering with rF2 than I have driving it, which is a shame because it's clearly got massive potential.

 

My nvidia 660 has no trouble rendering rf2 at @1080p , everything maxed out and frames always above 60, most of the time aroung 80-90.

About mirrors : you can adjust them in all directions ( iirc with shift+ camera buttons ) .
Everything else : well said.

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Thanks for the info about the mirrors, another example where rF2 can actually be brilliant

 

@Fat Rich as long as you didn't find any physics wise glitches I am a happy man!
As a brave member of the GPL clan its very weird you are annoyed by graphics and animations!
Rf2 heart and soul isn't about good colors and textures,its the immersion!

 

That is just such a trivial list of complaints in my opinion. Its not the list I'd give for whats seriously wrong with rF2. If these were the biggest issues I think it would be a far better sim package. Most of that is quality of life stuff, and granted guys like Reiza have really been pounding out excellent quality of life improvements to the AMS UI (which is just the rF UI continually evolved) and such so its not as if a lot of that wouldn't be great to have, excellent really. Still, its so trivial compared to the real issues. Inconsistency of content quality is really the biggest bugbear.

The rest of your post I can't really disagree with though.

 

For me, rfactor always seemed like a perfect open wheel simulator. That sim, in its current state, is great for open wheel lovers. But i just can't... i mean i "like" open wheelers, i'll drive them and enjoy them but my heart belongs to tourers, grand tourers, prototypes, rally cars, basically anything other than open wheelers I just can't "love" open wheelers. Tried to get into the hype. Failed to get into the hype. Open wheelers are just "every once in a while" cars for me.

And there's not much quality content in rf2 for people like me. But i like this news because many people are unreasonably disgusted by rf2 graphics. To me, the only problem rf2 has graphically right now, is optimization. It's horribly optimized. Other than that, rf2(when maxed out) is more than bearable right now. It even looks really pretty from time to time. Seeing that dx11 can really help with optimization, i'm optimistic about rf2's future. The base, the physics are really good, so no change needed there, the features are complete too. Just bring dx11, bring a more modern ui and the rest is up to modders/content creators. That's it. Oh and i've read they think about bringing rf1 tyre model back. Please, for love of holy thingies, please do not evolve back into stone age. Rf2's tyre model is complex and that's why it feels sooo good. The modders scared of how complex the tyre model is can frick off.

 

For me it's not how rF2 looks, it's the stuttering problems that make it unplayable for me. Yes, I happily play GPL at 36fps and fairly primitive graphics... but it's a rock solid 36fps with no stutters or glitches which makes it very playable indeed (especially on triple screens with a realistic FOV and the GPL black bars patched out of the game ). But we probably shouldn't be having to go back to 1998 to find a game to compare rF2 favourably to . Joking, but only a bit

OK, maybe it's just a problem with my system, I've seen people getting great results and there's no doubt DX9 can look very good indeed. But I've paid my money and can't play this game at all, and that's pretty frustrating, plus the time I've wasted trying to find a solution. And there are plenty of other people who are having the same problem, I shouldn't have to pay £500 for a new graphics card to play rF2, when all my other games run just fine straight out the box.

Yes, the physics are mostly excellent in rF2, although the content is somewhat inconsistent as P*Funk says... there are fantastic car / track combinations, but also some very disappointing ones too.

And my previous list of complaints might seem trivial to some people, but to me it sums up rF2. It takes all the really difficult steps to brilliance, and then just stops short with some slightly odd design decisions.

 

@Fat Rich ,with all the respect I think its AMD to blame!
I was struggling with my old 6950HD too!
6 and 7 AMD series were terrible@ RF2!
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