From the Facebook thread

+1 for "cars in AC have too much lock". That's a good one.

 

The part that always puzzled me about those monitor observations was that the car looked like it was hitting a "barrier" of sorts, where it refused to spin out any further. Now, this may have been simply due to the aforementioned "flooring the throttle" to correct the slide, but I remain sceptical. I have seen this "technique" (for want of a better term) performed by idiots who try to drift on public servers, and the recovery rate just seems way too high to me. There is a point where no amount of wheel lock or throttle input will stop a car from spinning, but the "recovery to spin out" ratio (again, for want of a better term) seems to be biased in favour of the former for even Bozo the Clown on a day out.

It's just possible that this may also be an illusion caused by the FOV that I am using, so that's my escape clause

 

What's is too much lock "whatever" doing in facebook thread?

 

That "barrier" of yours is just probably the state where rotation speed slows down and and the direction of the rotation acceleration stays the same. It's all because wide rear tyres are scrubbing the road in 90 degrees angle and generating a lot of momentum and front tyres are partially spinning in the direction of movement (full counter-steer). If a car has good balance when sideways, it's possible to "drift" even greater than 90 degree angle and still end up facing the right direction. However, usually racing cars with slick tyres aren't build for this and the car is too sensitive to hold in a slide.

Edit. Yeah, as Exos71 said we should change the thread because this is way too offtopic right now..

 

nothing to do with lock , its a physics issue and one i would say that effects the ai too

 

AI has nothing to do with this... AI probably gets "supergrip" when it is in deep ****.

 

And AI use stability control AFAIK = massive angle recoveries.

 

Anyway, player cannot reproduce this behavior without assists...

 

owh its explained , you are a prc fan

good good

 

PRC fan.. nah just a fan of realism. Theres a point in AC handling that isn't realistic, not saying its totally arcade am i? no jut a part of it at extreme circumstances where the engine just "says no"

Is it a deal breaker..no. is the game still fun.. yes.

 

The engine says no because you say so without providing any hard evidence? People are so quick to jump to conclusions just with subjective, feeling-based thoughts nowadays. And when they do they can't back down because the would admit being wrong/having overreacted/etc.... Not only in simracing but in all society. See Trump for example, and other populists.

And of course there is a point where the handling is not realistic. It's just a model, and all models are wrong.

I really wonder sometimes, where do all these pointless conversations come from, and not only with AC. When was thinking replaced with feeling as a seed for truth?

 

Afaik they don't. They just have the ability to react instantaneously to any given situation, thus being able to catch everything. Even when purposely driven off track.
You guys read to much PRC

 

I don`t think in case of AI it is physics bug .. just nonhuman like ractions of AI, like there is no delay between things happening, noticing that it happends and reaction to correct it .. so it looks bit weird and comicaly

 

AI have "supergrip-mode" which will kick in on some places but doesn't affect their driving in general. But just like you said it doesn't use TC or ABS.

 

Whatever the issue, it's ugly to see.

 

actually they do. They use similar code for abs and tc but theirs is better because it runs at full physics rate. They also turn on stability control to dampen the yaw rotation.

 

I dunno, I'm having no trouble spinning cars in AC on purpose (and fairly often by accident as well). This covers GT cars too if TC is off.

As to full lock flooring not producing oversteer. I dunno... I own RWD cars for a couple years now, without countersteering there is no oversteer unless you also use a lot of weight shifting or weight momentum. Front looses grip and it just plows.

 

Oh crap. Sorry for the disinformation then.

But am I right they have "exaggerated lateral grip-mode" for keeping the car stable during braking?